Discovered an obvious trick with backing tracks.

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  1. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music.

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    Ive been banging my head against a wall on a Robben Ford style backing track for weeks.

    I really can't seem to execute much at the tempo of the song, which isn't super fast anyway.

    So today I played over it at 80% tempo and my shlt got better pretty quickly. Not great but, I hear a rapid improvement. After maybe a half hour of jamming at a slower tempo I sped it back up and was much less sloppy.

    So, while its obvious to work on things slowly, it never occurred to me to improvise over a slowed down track.

    Hope this Mr. Obvious tip helps someone else.
     
  2. CigBurn

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    I do that when I catch myself falling into using the same ol' ingrained licks, when I wanted to do something new/different instead. That and looping a specific section has really helped me out any number of times.
     
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    I just blaze away with the same old crap. No tricks needed.
     
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    Bob the builder Most Honored Senior Member

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    Everything....
    Everything I do, I have to start at a reduced tempo.
    Sometimes I can bring it up pretty quick and sometimes it takes a little longer.
    Another thing I do (cuz it works for me) is get it a little faster than tempo with a looper & work it till I can keep it together. After that when you play it normal speed you're able to put it right out there.
     
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    bbarott Most Honored Senior Member

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    I do this all the time, in fact it's my standard thing with new stuff. This one started out at 70% speed, this vid is at 85%. It's up to 90 now, hopefully in a few weeks I'll be at full speed.



    Along with this I do vary the speed especially while I'm still working it up. I've found if I don't play 'em slow once in a while slow gets hard and fast gets sloppy. Yep, starting slow and working up against a backing track is the way.
     
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  6. Handsome McClane

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    Amen.
     
  7. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Do it or screw it.

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    Are you speaking of slowing songs down but keeping the same pitch?

    That can be done in Audacity. You can save an MP3 at any speed. I've done it for students.
     
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    Pretty much any DAW can do this, I know Studio One can do it. Jamvox likewise. Also Adobe Audition.
     
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    Just about any and all software aimed at musicians can do it.
     
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    Being a Student and a slow learner, I have only recently learned that
    YouTube videos and DVDs can be slowed quite a bit

    However. The sound also changes.
    If someone is learning on watching
    YouTube, there is a device called
    Vidami.
    It is a Foot Pedal connected to the computer that had 5 buttons.
    Looping is also on it.
    When you slow it down, it saves the sound.
    I am really thinking about getting one.
    It goes for $149.99.

    I don't know how many of Strat Talk would be interested, just thought I would pass it on.

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  11. Mouse

    Mouse The Knees of Rock

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    I do this quite a bit myself, particularly if I'm attempting fast metal tunes. Master of Puppets was a recent example where I needed to start at maybe 85% speed and slowly work it back up to tempo. I have an old Boss eBand which can change the speed without changing the pitch although slower than 70% and it starts to sound a bit warbly.

    @amstratnut looking forward to hearing what you've come up with for that track. It's not an easy one to play over. I sure have tried. :(

     
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    Mouse The Knees of Rock

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    YouTube's playback speed function doesn't change the pitch at all. How are you using it? You should be able to simply click on the little cog wheel at the bottom of a video, select the speed, and that's it. It'll play back at either 25, 50, or 75%. I use this feature all the time to learn songs although 25% is practically inaudible.
     
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    @Mouse

    I'll have to check my tuning.

    I sound sharp compared to the videos.

    Thank You For The Info
     
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    Mouse The Knees of Rock

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    If you're not already tuning up to the track at normal speed, perhaps start there. It could be the slowing of the speed causes a slight perceived pitch shift, particularly if you go down to 50% but it's not something that's ever been noticeable to me. I use it less for playing against whatever I'm slowing down and more for slowing the speedier parts down so I can figure out what's being played. In that context, I'm close enough for rock and roll as they say. :)
     
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    The pitch stays the same when you slow down you tube videos.
     
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    If I recall correctly Marty Schwartz came up with something similar and was selling it through his youtube channel.
     
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  17. Mr. Lumbergh

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    If you're working off of a YouTube track, you can use the gear icon to change playback speed to 75 or 50%.
     
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  18. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music.

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    Fwiw worth, I grab an mp3 off youtube and put it in audacity, which has a slowdown function. I record myself playing/improvising to note any possible sucky playing I wouldnt notice in the moment. Its an eye opener.