Does this CS Strat look legit?

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  1. Guy Named Sue

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    Too many red flags, I'd move on to a different one.
     
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  2. Intune

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    Still if it turns out legit there’s still a lot of questionable items with this one. Just the overall fit of the pickguard, the strange wear on the back middle of the body, the body itself looks to be a 3 piece which not uncommon but still odd for the CS.

    The pickup covers and knobs all look aged differently. The switch screws look wrong. Countersunk but a dome shape, they should look identical to the pickup screws.

    Then the overall wear. Not a ding in site. Whoever owned it must have whore a big fluffy sweater at all times.

    Check out the closeup of the pickguard fit. Looks off, look at the screw cut into the bevel. Just so many things that look wrong. F903B341-6D6B-4FFE-9ED1-52A9838F60D4.png
     
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  3. Guy Named Sue

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    What's a "big, fluffy whore sweater" got to do with anything? We're getting off track aren't we?
     
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  4. Intune

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    Sorry at the doctors office, was in a rush. What I was saying is not off track. I meant that the overall finish looks odd. Like no chips but strange wear patterns like someone only wore a fluffy soft sweater. That’s what it looks like does it not?
     
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    Lol blame it on the drugs the docs given you. I'm kidding
     
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    I’d say run far away

    yours 602D66CB-F8B7-4E9A-B84A-0F02EE31D0C8.jpeg the proper 3 tone sunburst from the link I sent you E0F5D8AC-E8C8-4487-B366-9461B2D0C196.png
     
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  8. Rattle&Hum

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    Good points. The seller pointed out the changed pickguard and pickup covers (like that when he got it). The bevel on the pickguard is all wrong and wonky. It is not consistent all the way around. Cannot speak to the screws. I'm not so concerned about those items. Plastics is easy and there is no original value to protect here.

    The authenticity of the body and neck are the biggest deals for me, though. Do the stamps in the pocket/heel actually tell us anything?

    One thing, though, the finish is giving me pause. InTune raises a good point about the quality of the burst edges. But I noticed the texture - especially when you look at the close-up photo of the neck plate. There is too much texture... It is not smooth - and not in the "its so thin it sunk into the grain" kind of texture.
     
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    Having been in similar dilemma, I'll just say

    Custom guitars, you'll find an other one, the money you spend isn't coming back tho.

    if any doubt comes to your mind, go find the peace of mind
     
  10. Intune

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    Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Every bolted on part could have been changed at one point, who cares. It could be brought back to original if you wanted. Those parts are available.

    I’ve never seen that many stamps and markings ever inside the neck pocket or on the neck heel. Usually it’s a pen or pencil mark and maybe a squiggle of a sharpie. Then there’s the 60’s 2 tone sunburst and even the orange like tint of the neck. Yeah it’s older, it can fade. That does not look the case.

    Someone along the line got fooled I think and now it’s for sale cheap. I mean depending on price it could be a nice guitar.

    Here’s my now sold 2003 CS nocaster neck pocket. Noting like what you have. Someone went a little overboard trying to fake it 953FF7A5-04A0-41B3-8786-F9629698B0C4.jpeg F4885C4D-30EE-4D86-AF9A-4F014E433BC5.jpeg
     
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  11. Rattle&Hum

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    That neck was stamped on my birthday! Love it!

    The lighting in the photos the seller has provided is pretty bad. In that light, the burst looks more like a AVRI than other 1960 NOS examples. For the price, not likely to be a deal breaker.

    Ultimately, you're absolutely right - and that's the way I'm approaching it. I'm mainly interested because its a good strat that has been used by real players (recently) and setup well at a well-respected place for what is a great price (at least by today's standards).

    Fender's response will be interesting.
     
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  12. Intune

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    Yeah keep me posted on what fender says, could be interesting. Good point about the lighting in the pics but no matter what lighting fender doesn’t forget to put the yellow base coat to create a 3 tone sunburst.
     
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    If you have this many questions to be asked about a guitars provenance, I'd not only walk away, I'd run! :eek:
     
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    Call Fender and ask them. I've done it and they are very helpful and nice about it.
     
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    If it’s a been altered fairly significantly, it’s resale value is probably shot - just play it and see what you think….
     
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    It's a partscaster with possibly some custom shop parts. That's how it should be valued. If you try to sell it, that's how someone else will look at it.
     
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    Yes, the sunburst finish is NOT like a 60s Strat would have. It’s more like the current faux three color sunburst, Fender paints on all but higher priced models. There should be distinct black, red, yellow sections in an original style three color sunburst.
     
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    That post for the win. It pretty much sums it up.
    Another favorite is when you post a Strat, and in the listing title you put MIJ.
    The first question you get asked: "where was it made?"
     
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    Looks like the guy had a Custom Shop ink stamp made and stamped the neck and neck pocket and now its a Custom Shop. I have never seen that type of stamp on a custom shop.
     
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    Wtf is up with that stamp...red flag!!