Dunlop fretboard products... What's the difference between lemon oil & conditioner?

Wound_Up

You can call me Duane 😁
Jan 23, 2020
4,674
NW LA
So it is slightly thicker mineral oil? That’s funny.

I think it may be there in case it were to absorb any moisture or say the inside of the container was sweating for some reason. It's supposed to keep the water from thinning it out. It's used in cosmetics and lotions to thicken any water thats in them, from what I read.
 

StratPlus97

Senior Stratmaster
Apr 7, 2016
1,749
USA
Sorry I'm not going to answer your question the way you probably want me to instead I will let you in on a secret that many guitarist already know. Don't waste your money on fretboard oil or cleaner. You don't need it and it is a way to get you to spend money on useless products. BTW lemon products (especially creams or lotions) are not always yellow. The proper way to clean your fret board is actually with a damp cloth. I do this every time I change strings. When I was young and uneducated I would oil my rosewood and ebony fretboards. I started hanging out with a luthier who taught me many things including the proper way to clean a guitar. My best advice is to go ahead and use what you bought but never buy it again because you are throwing money away. My cousin deals with the people at The Heritage guitar company and even the builders of their fine instruments say to use a damp (not soaking wet) cloth to clean the guitar and fretboard. If you have a particularly grimy fretboard dampen the cloth in soapy water and after you clean it wipe it again with a clean damp cloth.
Absolutely, this is so true. It’s amazing how many of these products are out there. When I need to give my guitar body a wipe down, I actually use my own saliva and a rag. Works like a charm
 

Black59

Strat-O-Master
Sep 25, 2020
872
Canada
Thanks for pointing that out. I got them backwards. I'll fix it.

Oh no worries. Sorry, I re-read my post and it was a little harsh, my anxiety kicked in there and I thought I was dumping actual lemon oil on my rosewood boards for the past decade haha
 

heltershelton

Vivamus libero Vivamus duris
Jun 5, 2013
31,795
Texas
Lemon oil isn't made from lemons. It's made from mineral oil. So I'm pretty sure it's poisonous anyway, unless it's food grade mineral oil. If there's even such a thing.

Looking online, it seems that EVERY bottle "food grade lemon oil" I've found is actual citrus oil from a lemon. That's not the right stuff. Lemon oil for wood is mineral oil. Not essential oils from lemons.
i have oiled my rosewood necks maybe twice in my life.
when i did, i used regular old dollar store mineral oil.
i havent done it in quite some time because they havent needed it.
ive read its bad to oil the board too often as well.
some people never oil their boards. i only did it when it was very dry and also because i wanted to see if it would darken the board, which it did. i love the look of an oly white strat with a very dark board.
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dvqc1

Strat-Talker
Sep 13, 2015
189
Missouri
Absolutely, this is so true. It’s amazing how many of these products are out there. When I need to give my guitar body a wipe down, I actually use my own saliva and a rag. Works like a charm
LMAO .... I can honestly say I've done that too, more than a few times.
 

Wound_Up

You can call me Duane 😁
Jan 23, 2020
4,674
NW LA
LMAO .... I can honestly say I've done that too, more than a few times.

I normally just use carnuba wax and give it a good polish but I figured why not? It obviously couldn't hurt to use the Dunlop cleaner & polisher.
 

Buzznut

Strat-Talk Member
Jan 14, 2018
39
Netherlands
Hi.

I've oiled my rosewood fretboards several times in the past. I've been told to first use lemon oil to clean the fretboard and later aplly mineral oil from the luthier shop and did so accordingly. I also used these oils seperately in the past.
Nevertheless there seems to appear a thin dull gray layer on top when dry, I've tried to rub it with a cloth but that doesn't seem to help.
Suggestions anyone?

On another occasion I've also sanded down a nutusq nut with a piece of sandpaper on top of the fretboard to sand the radius of the neck into the nut as suggested on a StewMac video.
Best to tape the neck first since the fine white powder gets all over the place an into the grain of the fretboard too, and can be quite hard to clean. This was not the cause of the dull gray layer on top by the way
 

Buzznut

Strat-Talk Member
Jan 14, 2018
39
Netherlands
Hi.

I've oiled my rosewood fretboards several times in the past. I've been told to first use lemon oil to clean the fretboard and later aplly mineral oil from the luthier shop and did so accordingly. I also used these oils seperately in the past.
Nevertheless there seems to appear a thin dull gray layer on top when dry, I've tried to rub it with a cloth but that doesn't seem to help.
Suggestions anyone?

On another occasion I've also sanded down a nutusq nut with a piece of sandpaper on top of the fretboard to sand the radius of the neck into the nut as suggested on a StewMac video.
Best to tape the neck first since the fine white powder gets all over the place an into the grain of the fretboard too, and can be quite hard to clean. This was not the cause of the dull gray layer on top by the way
 

Buzznut

Strat-Talk Member
Jan 14, 2018
39
Netherlands
Hi.

I've oiled my rosewood fretboards several times in the past. I've been told to first use lemon oil to clean the fretboard and later aplly mineral oil from the luthier shop and did so accordingly. I also used these oils seperately in the past.
Nevertheless there seems to appear a thin dull gray layer on top when dry, I've tried to rub it with a cloth but that doesn't seem to help.
Suggestions anyone?

On another occasion I've also sanded down a nutusq nut with a piece of sandpaper on top of the fretboard to sand the radius of the neck into the nut as suggested on a StewMac video.
Best to tape the neck first since the fine white powder gets all over the place an into the grain of the fretboard too, and can be quite hard to clean. This was not the cause of the dull gray layer on top by the way
 

Scott Baxendale

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May 20, 2020
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Sante Fe, NM
Got something I csnt really figure out. I ordered some Dunlop 65 Lemon Oil and I also ordered their 'Fretboard kit' with a bottle of fretboard cleaner/prep & a bottle of deep conditioner oil.

What's the deep conditioner? It's not lemon oil becsue it's not yellow. So what is it? Anybody have any idea? I've searched for the MSDS documents for each but found nil. So? Anyone know? Thanks.

Edit: I realize I can contact Dunlop and ask. I'll likely do that next if no one here knows. Thanks!

Edit #2: I sent a question to support. So we'll see what they say. In the meantime, does anyone have any idea?

https://www.jimdunlop.com/44616502001-formula-65-care-products/

Vs

https://www.jimdunlop.com/formula-65-fretboard-ultimate-lemon-oil/
It’s probably linseed oil?
 

Jason D

Senior Stratmaster
Jan 30, 2016
2,743
Fulton MO
I don’t spend outrageous money on “guitar cleaning” products. Sometimes I will throw some lemon Pledge on a t-shirt rag and wipe down the board to slick it up at bit. Then, after I play, I can dust my house. And lemon Pledge smells nice, so that’s why I prefer it to normal Pledge. Pledge has been my buddy for cleaning my guitars for 3 decades.
 

Scott Baxendale

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May 20, 2020
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Sante Fe, NM
I don’t spend outrageous money on “guitar cleaning” products. Sometimes I will throw some lemon Pledge on a t-shirt rag and wipe down the board to slick it up at bit. Then, after I play, I can dust my house. And lemon Pledge smells nice, so that’s why I prefer it to normal Pledge. Pledge has been my buddy for cleaning my guitars for 3 decades.
Pledge is about the worst thing you can put on a guitar finish. It builds up over time to create a skin of mud that is next to impossible to remove. We use windex to clean the finish and Novus to polish it without leaving any residue.
 

Jason D

Senior Stratmaster
Jan 30, 2016
2,743
Fulton MO
Pledge is about the worst thing you can put on a guitar finish. It builds up over time to create a skin of mud that is next to impossible to remove. We use windex to clean the finish and Novus to polish it without leaving any residue.
I absolutely mean no offense, but my main guitar looks exactly the same as when I bought it in 1996. I’ve used a light spray of Pledge on a t-shirt rag about every week since then. So, almost 1300 times I’ve done this on that particular guitar. I think I’m going to continue what I’m doing for another 25 years.
 

Scott Baxendale

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May 20, 2020
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Sante Fe, NM
I absolutely mean no offense, but my main guitar looks exactly the same as when I bought it in 1996. I’ve used a light spray of Pledge on a t-shirt rag about every week since then. So, almost 1300 times I’ve done this on that particular guitar. I think I’m going to continue what I’m doing for another 25 years.
I’ve spent hours rubbing it off as it builds up over time. It leaves a residue on top of the finish. The same is true for Martin or Gibson Guitar polish. We use Novus #2 which cleans and polishes but does not leave a greasy or waxy residue on the finish. Pledge does.
 

Jason D

Senior Stratmaster
Jan 30, 2016
2,743
Fulton MO
I’ve spent hours rubbing it off as it builds up over time. It leaves a residue on top of the finish. The same is true for Martin or Gibson Guitar polish. We use Novus #2 which cleans and polishes but does not leave a greasy or waxy residue on the finish. Pledge does.
Cool. Guess I’m a pretty lucky dude.
 

Scott Baxendale

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May 20, 2020
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Sante Fe, NM
Cool. Guess I’m a pretty lucky dude.
I bet if I novus’d it the cloth would turn brown with muck. Pledge is wax and continuing to spray it on without removing the old wax in between sprayings builds up. It’s basic physics. Maybe it just looks shiny after you spray it so it appears to be clean? If you gig a lot or drink beer or sweat a lot it mixes with that waxy pledge and turns into a grimy mud. Maybe you just play at home or church so the dirts does build up nearly as fast? I don’t know. I’m glad you’re not having a problem, however, I don’t recommend using pledge on guitar finish and i refinish guitars professionally for a living. Just sayin.
 


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