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Discussion in 'Tech-Talk' started by Bob Dylan blues, Jan 10, 2021.
you'll tell us in two weeks, maybe sooner
Some of us have to work you know
..Baelzebub you are the absolute.. complete.. best'est.. star in the whole wide world and Steve Kirtley
I can state here and now, you can put these poor helpless people out of there misery
Thank you for the heads-up on the ones you sent to me, because of where I live I'll have to find a closer one to buy sometime, especially at this moment in world time
Once again .. sincere thanks for your help mate, and not forgetting Steve Kirtley as well.. also and everyone else for there encouragement in my quest
Take care all, keep safe
Best wishes .. Ian.
Geez Ian...ya got me blushin'! Sorry for the suspense. Just wanted BDb to have his shot at buying one of the two I found on Reverb.
The manufacturer is 99% likely Goya. These were produced prior to 67, in 66 and 67 definitely but not later.
It was a challenge. The molded handle was the most distinctive feature, but the best I could come up with there were all produced in the 70's and 80's, the Peavey was closest in shape, the others were some 80's Martins, 70's Gibsons and some other obscure manufacturers...but they were all not even close to the right shape.
I took a list of guitars Syd was known to own, then searched each manufacturer looking at historical catalogues or collector sites, scrolling through all the guitar pics to look for cases, to see what cases they may have produced. I did look at Selmer because they were distributers for Hofners, of which had several. Came up empty.
(I DID come across a fascinating listing of Hofner guitars... for anyone who might ber interested - http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/gallery2/arcs.html . Fascinating seeing all the features and development done before/contemporaneously with other manufacturers. The art deco embellishments are awesome!)
I came across Steve Kirtley's site and perused it but didn't see anything in the extensive info he had on case manufacturers that looked promising, but it was so clearly in the realm of geekdom in it's intensity that I thought I'd give him a shout. He replied right away and was a font of useful into giving me several avenues to look at.
Steve is a kindred spirit...like a dog with a bone when he latches on to something. He asked me if I could date the photo. The key to that was Iggy the Inuit, the girl in the picture. She entered Syd's life in January of '67, according to multiple sources, and is the girl in the photo on Madcap Laughs.
She was a rather ephemeral free spirit and although her history was well documented up to meeting Syd, I really had to dig into her to find a reference to when she parted ways with him. Interesting gal. Look up Church of the Holy Iggy for more info.
So once out of that rabbithole with an approximate date of between 1/67 and 8/67, and the composition, which Steve was able to narrow to certain manufacturers due to his knowledge of when certain methods were used, after much scrolling and digging we nailed is as a Goya.
Steve even found one on Reverb for sale! But it wasn't smooth like Syd's, but has a ridge around the top.
While looking at that I noted another among the similar items and Bingo! Smooth with a closeup of the handle which had had a screwed on plex plate with Goya Rangemaster on it. The shape of the indentation on that they handles on these two were a bit rounded/tapered the bottom, so not quite exactly the same as Syd's but there's no doubt it's a Goya, probably an earlier version since they were not made past '67.
That's it, except for the strange markings in the other photo of the case by itself. Sort of looks like 2 in the middle or some circular design..(maybe a stylized G for Goya?) and Steve saw an M in there, but I can't make that out.
Unfortunately none of the examples we would locate photos of showed that side of the case. All of them showed the other smooth side with no symbols.
So I asked the seller on Reverb to send me a photo of the other side. And that's where it lays for now.
Ian, please edit the thread title to include "SOLVED" in the front so anyone I kept hanging knows to check back if they wanna know.
Thanks. You stay safe as well. If I get any more definitive stuff I'll forward it to you.
amazing sleuthing! You should rename yourself Sherlock Baelzebub.
The devil is in the details!!!
BTW: There's a few Goya catalogs on Reverb. This one is from 1968 with the case on one of the pages.
Just a quick one Baelzebub
How do I change the title ?, I've added a tag saying "Solved", but I can't change the title
Thank you again mate.. take care of yourself eh, Ian
I think you go to the thread tools, at the top right(?)
Thanks guppy! I saw those on Reverb. Here's a site Steve sent me with a bunch of them in .pdf format. It appears that they started really coming into their own @66 or 67. Catalogues got bigger and went color.
LATE BREAKING UPDATE!! @Bob Dylan blues
Just as I was diving back down the rabbithole because it bugged me that I couldn't find a Goya case that matched the slightly different handle on Syd's case I received an email from Steve, who apparently, like myself, is like a dog with a bone when gets ahold of something. I'll just reprint his email verbatim:
I had a member of the Facebook Vintage Case group respond and tell me that these cases were built by the Polverini Brothers of Castelfidardo, Italy. This was an Italian accordion company that expanded into building electric guitars, and built under various brand names including some Italian Fenders. You can tell that the Goya Rangemaster guitars and other brands are built by them because they have accordion-type rocker switches or push buttons instead of tone pots. So the Polverini Brothers supplied these cases with Goya and Fender logos, and other cases that did not have logos. Apparently the Syd case is one of those with no logo. I imagine that the Polverini Brothers were accustomed to forming plastic to make accordion shells, so building a molded plastic guitar case was a natural for them.
Here’s a link to a 1966 Strat with a Polverini Brothers case. This one has a wooden shell, not plastic, but is that common Italian teardrop shape like we see often on Vox cases. https://www.cescoscornerguitars.com/1966_Fender_Stratocaster_Sunburst.html
I’m not on Strat-Talk. Be sure to tell folks about the Facebook Vintage Case group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/vintagemusicalinstrumentcases
Done and Done! Ain't the internet grand?
Hi all, where does the time go
Do you think these .. like Syds .. are earlier versions ?.
The case is not recessed, but flat on the outside.
Yes...other than the recessed part around the handle..where the goya plaque is screwed in. The original is squared off. I found lots of pics like this one with the tapered recess...but none with the squared off recess.
That one is probably as close as you can get, unless you contact the Polverino Bros. in Italy?
Dude you are AWESOME!!!
lol..thanks. Nice to know my skills remain sharp even after I retired.
I wanted to tell you all ... I've got a later recessed case on it's way from the USA
It's going to take a while to get here, but I couldn't have done it without your help..thank you very much again Baelzebub your sleuthing was brilliant mate.
Maybe I should keep this to myself .. but my thought is, I'm considering asking a friend of mine who is brilliant with fibreglass work, whether the recessed part could be cut out raised up and fixed flush, the surface inside will be covered, the outer surface will be refinished in a blue material / fabric.
Don't hate me for this thought it was very inexpensive, and an original slab sided version I'm sure would be horrendously expensive
Well, if this thread is still open .. I'll post images when it arrives
Take care all, keep safe .. from Ian.
Cool... make it your own. I think Syd would approve. Congrats.
There's a kitchen unit on eBay at the moment, it belonged to Roger (Syd) hand painted with a brush
He was there long before shabby chic was chic .. if it ever was
I think the guitar case might have been covered or painted by Syd, as he certainly did on his Fender mirror disc Esquire.
Which by the way, ..what will be going inside the case
If youre interested here's the page ..
Best wishes to all, Ian.