EMC's Functional Harmony Thread (or, How i learned to love the circle of 5ths)

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  1. Roger66

    Roger66 Senior Stratmaster Double Platinum Supporting Member

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    That's what I was doing at 15. Finding the augmented chord in the Beverly Hillbillies Theme and stuff. I was a Brat!
     
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    Whoa. I might have to start this from the beginning. I actually understand some of what's being discussed, now.

    Got a link? :thumb:

    Edit: nevermind I found it lol!
     
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    Decided to try a little exercise this AM, because we should never stop working on this stuff:
    Running the modes on ii V I changes

    Can you hear what's going on with the chords, and with the melodies?
    And... just because it's an exercise doesn't mean it can't be musical too.
     
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    I am DETERMINED to understand this. And I think I kind of do at this point. Been looking at this, reading it, studying it, outlining the notes, and hearing it played, and listening for the changes as I do it myself. I think I am following this. I did three variations. First with only the root and 5th notes, and second with only the 3rd and 7th notes, and then finally the combination of the 3rd, 5th, and 7th notes. Lets see how I did today.

    There is a pause in my music between 1:18 and 1:36 because I had an interruption while playing, so I picked it back up at the next start around 1:36. Thanks guys.



    And one more tonight for good measure. Thanks for this, and let me know how I am doing here.
     
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    You're getting better, but you haven't learned to count yet. Timing is way off, because you don't play inside the track, you play on top of it and in front of or on top of the beat.

    Listen to the track without playing. Count along with it. Know where the one is. One and a two and a three and a four and a. Count! No guitar. Put it down completely. Just count. Find the tempo with your foot. And count the above out loud.

    Crawl. Stand. Walk. Run. You're barely standing.

    And you posted this in the wrong thread.;)
     
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    Getting there, @guitarvegas.
    Roots and 5ths bit sounds OK.
    When you get to the 3rds and 7ths, things get a bit trickier, though.
    You have to keep track of when you need to play the b3s and b7s to match the chord.
    For a ii V I in C major:
    ii = 1 b3 5 b7 Dmi7 = D F A C
    V = 1 3 5 b7 G7 = G B D F
    I = 1 3 5 7 Cmaj7 = C E G B

    Do you notice anything interesting about this sequence of notes?
    F carries over from ii to V, and it moves from the 3rd interval of ii to the 7th of V.
    B carries over from V to I, and the 3rd of V becomes the 7th of I.
    And finally, the root of the I chord becomes the 7th of the ii chord.
     
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    Is that backing from this thread?
     
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    In DMs, i pointed him to this thread, where earlier on i set out an exercise that was about playing just
    roots and 5ths over a ii V I, then just the 3rds and 7ths, and finally trying to combine the two things.

    playing chord tones over a ii V7 l progression

    Hopefully you've already spelled out all 10 of the chords in 'Tune Up'.
    Now, print out this chord chart 2x:


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    In case you don't know, the triangle symbol indicates a Major chord, while the slash
    with 2 dots means to repeat the previous measure.
    The form is 16 bars, repeated 2 times; the first time through you play the first 12 measures,
    then the 4 bars at 1.] as a turnaround,
    and the second time through play the first 12 measures again, then the 4 bars at 2.]



    Write down all the roots and 5ths under each chord on the first printout, and then
    on the second copy, do the same with all of the 3rds and 7ths.
    This will give you a visual reference for which pitches to play over the backing track.

    Start by only playing the root and 5th in half notes, then once you feel comfortable with that you can
    start switching the order around, and making small rhythmic adjustments.

    Then do the same thing with the 3rds and 7ths.

    Listen carefully, and you will begin to hear how and when the harmony changes, and the way in which
    some notes create a bit of tension against the underlying chords while others seem to rest perfectly on them.
    Where does that tend to happen?


    i included that backing track, and a couple of tracks of me playing over it.
    That was post #249, way back on March 28, 2020... just in time for C19 lockdown, ugh...

    So he wasn't really wrong to post here.
    If anything, you can put that one on me, LOL.
     
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    Ok. I just heard the lesson thread backing track. I stand by the points on timing though. If you can't play in time, then the lesson is over. :D
     
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    In case anyone is interested, here's my version of the track from last year:
    TUNE UP (2020)
     
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    One of my teachers said that in music you can get away with a lot by being in time and in tune.
     
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    Do you play the 3rds and 7ths on the 2 and 4 beat? And the root and 5th notes on the 1 and 3? Does that make sense?
     
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    Yes! Otherwise you sound like a methed out squirrel looking for a nut. Or a broken clock that's right once a day.
     
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    You can start out with the full arpeggios, then mix up the note order, play partial arpeggios, etc.
    See how you can vary things without playing any notes outside of the diatonic arps.
     
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    Cool beans!
    Such a lovely tune, and so perfectly suited to what we're talking about at the moment!
    Here's a 'one and done', played from memory...
    it's been awhile since i last had a go at this one.
    SAIAMS (2021)
     
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