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Discussion in 'Other Guitar Discussion' started by ryunker, Sep 11, 2015.
Or better if you mean anything with old-school luthier skills, like the archtops.
There's a particular Washburn model that I played back to back with a 335. Felt almost identical.
Ok, NGD is on the way, musicians friend wins, $268.00 and free shipping. Will see it along with the Epiphone hard shell case three to five days...
I could not justify the Gibson cost.
I prefer the Sheraton to the dot...but both are a lot of guitar for the money...
I've had my Dot for about 6 weeks now and really like it. I had a pro setup including nut filing and fret leveling, it now plays beautifully. Lowered the pickups and what a difference that makes. Nice and chimey, no mud and no need for replacing. I've previously owned a Gibson ES335 and ES330 to compare and although there are differences, the Dot comes off very well indeed. I've received many compliments on the tone of the Epi.
It is a bloody good guitar and it's finished in a semi-transparent cherry that is gorgeous to look at, especially on stage. I'm very pleased with my Dot and would recommend them to anyone that is looking at a humbucker equipped semi-hollow bodied guitar that won't break the bank and plays as well as my Gibsons.
ryunker, the 335 and the Dot aren't comparable. At all.
Play them side by side. Or, if you're like me and can't tell in a store, buy both, take 'em home and test for a week, and return one.
If you can't tell the difference, then you've saved a ton of cash.
If you can, but don't think the difference is worth it, well, now you know, and you don't have to rely on guys like me (sitting here playing my 335... )
But... once you play the 335 for a while, ask yourself if the Dot is a stopgap, or if it knocks the 335 off your lifetime GAS list. If it does not, consider... maybe it still makes sense, given the price differential. Maybe it's going to take ten years to get the 335.
One thing I'd avoid: I would not put money into the Dot. A mod here, a mod there, and now you have more money into something that'll still never come close to a 335. Just sayin'.
The price difference is so great, I almost wonder why you're asking. If you couldn't afford the 335, you'd just get the Dot. If you KNEW you wanted a 335 some day, that it was a guitar you've lusted after forever, then you would just get it, knowing that spending an eighth of the money isn't going to get a comparable product. This seems to leave: you can afford it, but don't know why they're different.
Again, play 'em. If you still don't know, then you don't need the 335.
Finally, there are quite a few 335 models to choose from, all different in various ways, including the neck profile.
I see you've already decided on the Epiphone but I'll still throw in my two cents. The 335 had always been my grail guitar. I tried to scratch the itch with an Epiphone Dot (twice) and later a Sheraton II (nice step up from the Dot) and finally got my 335 almost 2 years ago.
The 335 is definitely a better guitar but whether or not it's worth it the difference is up to each individual. I've always found it's cheaper to buy what you really want in the first place instead of making intermediate purchases along the way.
Wise words there.
No local stores had either the 335 or dot in stock, what a let down, so I was unable to try either of them in person, GC had an epi 339 that I liked, gretsch and an Ibanez, I did not care for the neck profile on either of those.
I have been learning guitar for a little less than two years and have wondered/wanted a semi-hollow guitar for most of a year. That being the scenario I was not placing the Gibson in the same realm as the holy grail, but do believe Gibson products are better than their Epiphone branded stuff.
The info from this thread is good, many claim the Dot is good, but no match for the true 335. Sheridan being better. I did not find anything here or on the web claiming the Dot to be sub-standard or below expectations.
Based on all of that, here I wait for the upcoming NGD.
That's sig-worthy. Hope you don't mind.
The worst thing i ever did was sell my Sheraton, a lovely guitar, quality issues i could easy fix now.
The 335 is a Rolls Royce compared to the Dot and Gibson no it.
The Epiphone Dot is probably the best "bang for buck" guitar i have messed about with, oh Tokai do a nice semi..
I have never owned a 335 its the one i wonder about owning.
But the price..?
My Dot is excellent. Ive some as nice and some not as nice. .ine is great!
I lowered the pickups, especially on the base side. Do that first before calling the pickups muddy. Just fyi.
The problem here of course is what constitutes 'better' in the comparison.
Really the only comparison that matters is which one prefers.
Surprised no one mentions the neck. That's the thing that kept me going back to Gibsons over the cheaper alternatives. Pickups, build quality, finish etc, sure, goes without saying, but for me, you just can't beat a Gibson neck
The neck... profile? Gibson 335s have varying neck profiles, as I noted up-thread. Generally falling into 50s = fat and 60s = skinny.
yeah i meant more the difference in the feel of the neck between Gibson and the "imitators" - I just can't put my finger on it except to say the number of times I've blind tested, the Gibson just feels/plays better in the hand (for me). What is that? Is there some secret special sauce ingredient in the way they shape necks and treat the edge's of the fingerboards?
Seems like black magic to me
Don't mind at all.
The excitement's all over, but let me add my own opinionated opinions, having played a lot of these models.
Totally agree with Moosie in #26.
The Sheraton II over the Dot, to my ears and fingers. I'd also mention the Casino.
I know it's not a generally popular view, but the ES330 is by far my personal favourite of the Gibson/Epi family.
The problem is the appallingly variable quality assurance from Gibson, combined with the equally appalling prices, where half the money you pay is for the logo.
If you're willing to pay Gibson prices, then do yourself a favour and have a close look at the Ibanez Signatures series. Any of them beat the high end Gibsons for both quality and price.
Best value for money out there right now in hollow bodies is the Ibanez LGB30.
If you come across an obscure guitar called a Crafter SEG480, try it. If I was looking for a low-cost 335, that's what I'd get. It's a Korean-made 335 body with a strat-like neck. It's actually better then any Epi I've played, but probably needs an electronics change.
Heritage, Eastman etc are great but also sort of a different market, in my view.
I haven't played Eastman, Heritage, or the highest end Ibanez. I haven't cared for the Ibanez I have played. That's the one that feels like a different buyer, to me. Eastman, I'd expect to be the nicest .... knock off. Still missing the mark, but sitting at an interesting quality vs price point. Heritage is the only other brand I consider when looking at Gibson archtops. So, different strokes...
I have a Memphis "standard" gloss dot neck 335, and a Historic 1959 VOS 330. They're both amazing, and worth every penny (no one pays MAP, right?), but they couldn't be more different.
The 335 is right up there with Martin in terms of immaculate fit and finish. It's a skinnier neck than I prefer, but I couldn't afford the Historic 335s. It's my best intonating neck, though, of all my guitars. Sounds great all the way up. Very resonant, with a piano-like attack. I've felt no compulsion to swap out the stock '57 Classic pickups. I did dump the heavy Grovers in favor of Klusons, and the lighter weight on the headstock, as well as the look, is just perfect for this guitar, IMO.
The 330 is how I imagine a great vintage guitar would feel. The heavily rolled fingerboard -- all the little binding nibs on the fret ends, painstakingly worn away, just the right amount... Chunky neck, nylon nut, press-fit Klusons, etc etc. Light and resonant. The underwound p90s are a dream. The steep neck angle, combined with the 16th fret neck/body joint, makes for a very comfortable guitar.
We love to discuss the diminishing returns to be had from Fender CS vs other American Fenders. I find value in Fender CS models, but the difference between my two Gibsons in terms of "treatment" is much more apparent, to me.
Fair enough. For the Ibanez models, I heartily suggest the GB10, LGB30, PM200 and AS200. The thing about Ibanez is that the QA is very consistent, and so is the price-per-quality ratio. You pay more, you get something better.
The reason I think Heritage, Eastman et al. are in a different category is that so many people listen with their eyes. How many times have you seen someone stare at the body of your guitar while they decide whether they're supposed to like your sound? Fender, Gibson and Ibanez get this and make instruments that look like they should sound good.
The more boutique archtop makers build instruments for people who listen with their ears, in my view. Play something like an Eastman 810CE in front of a random crowd, (it's a superb instrument), and some guy's likely to ask if you couldn't afford a Gibson.