Epiphone SG with P-90's: Thoughts?

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  1. nifnof70

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    i have this one, and it sounds absolutely INCREDIBLE....and has a huge thick neck which I love

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EILPTVNH--epiphone-les-paul-special-tv-yellow

    The quality is incredible, and it's better than the SG by a mile, but not if you can't play a really thick neck. The SG has neck dive issues....weight balance.....and doesn't sound as thick or full.....pickups are 100% identical in both
     
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    I've just fitted SD P-Rails to my Gibson SG. If you don't know, P-Rails have a rail single coil and P90 arranged as a split-able humbucker. So you have humbucker, rail, or P90 in one pickup unit.

    I like the P90 tones. Kind of half way between genuine single coils and humbuckers. You get the nice single coil clarity at low volumes, but turn the volumes up to 10 and you get nice classic rock crunching. Not full on Humbucker crunch, but pretty good for classic rock. IMHO of course.

    I'm not sure, because I haven't seen the guitar up close, but you might be able to retrofit humbuckers, regular or P-Rails, if you decide the P90s aren't for you. IIRC full size P90 body routings should be bigger, and you may just need to change the mounting rings to suit. I'd have to look more closely and measure first to be sure, however. Maybe ask the retailer?
     
  4. Kerry Brown

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    If possible try them both and see which suits you. I have tried both and preferred the SG. It is lighter, smaller neck and I didn't experience the neck dive. I found the Les Paul a little dark. They are both excellent guitars you couldn't go wrong with either one but they are different so try them if you can.
     
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    My 2020 Epi ES339 has the non-dog-eared P90 Pros in it; same as in the Sparkling Burgundy guitar you're looking at. Great pickups, much better than Epi was putting in guitars just a few years ago.

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    I like P90s period

    My SG has 490/498 which I'm not a huge fan of. One of my Les Pauls has P90s. Huge fan
     
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    Some Epiphones are great! I'd rather have a great Epi than a run of the mill other brand.

    When I built up a semi hollow I went shopping for P90s. I was very surprised to be told more than once there wasn't much difference between them and an Epi was as good as a Gibson! The elements lock in the sound so that different winds have little audible impact, apparently. I snorted derision and spent large. Now I have a braided lead and it sounds great!
     
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    Even better

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    I’ve owned a Gibson SG (2014 faded cherry/ humbuckerd). I regret getting rid of it.

    I have an Epi 335 hollow body with Humbuckers and love it.

    Ive never owned any guitar with P90s so want one!
     
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    A Casino Worn is a great priced hollow option.
     
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    I had a gibson sg classic recently. I liked it, loved the neck, but the sound wasn't that great, so I sold it. That epiphone caught my attention too, but I've never bought an epiphone and didn't regret it. Except for my first one, a worn cherry sg
     
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    Yes! I had my eye on that as well. Dig that TV Yellow color!!
     
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    I have both a MIC Epiphone HH and a Kalamazoo Gibson HH and the Epiphone gets all the play time. Feels better, sounds as good or better, no worries.

    Of the two Epiphones you linked to, go with the solid body. The veneer grain tops can look good but also can look odd around the rim. I tend to like the smaller pickguard instead of the batwing too.

    P90s are awesome in any guitar though. Even if you get a guitar with only a single bridge P90 Junior (there have been SG Juniors before too) or some other neck pickup it's a great thing.




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    I have the second one you list there, from Sweetwater - the gloss, not the worn model. It’s my first SG, so I don’t have much to compare it to, but the quality is amazing, it sounds fantastic - the neck is skinnier/flatter than I prefer, but I guess it’s pretty typical for SGs, and it plays really well. It’s my #2, my strat is my overwhelming #1. I don’t play it a lot, but when I want that P90 sound, it’s perfect. I’ve heard the quality isn’t all that consistent, so maybe I got lucky, but the one I got needed nothing. I did get it rewired to just have a master volume and master tone - those 4 knob Gibson controls never made sense to me. But it’s a keeper for sure. Looks like the price went up about $50 since I bought it about a year and a half ago. Still a great guitar for the money…

    -Ray
     
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    That's what I'm talkin bout...Here's one I did.

    I have no idea why all the pictures flipped the wrong direction when I attached them. Anyone know how to fix this? Happens to me from time to time.

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    I think for the price those Epi's look like a great deal. Going back to that headstock shape makes all the difference to me, The finish on these new guitars looks better too. You should go for it.
     
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    I prefer the SG. Much better upper fret access. Depends on what "fits" you, but I prefer the SG shape over the LP shape.

    I'd second playing both and choosing the one that fits you best. The SG has to be acclimated to when sitting down as the curve in the body is displaced such that the SG feels like the neck is sitting to the left. The LP is more like any Strat or Tele. But once you acclimate, you can switch from one to the other.

    As for neck dive... never had that issue. Some SG's apparently have it worse. A strap that isn't smooth inside probably helps.
     
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    Have one with P90's. Love it. Barrels of fine. Grit without a pedal, or clean as you like it by just rolling back a little.


    SG shape is great, especially for shorter fingers as the upper frets are wide open.

    But note that there are roughly two SG necks in production right now. The one you posted is in the later style from around late 1969+ IIRC. Taller neck heel and flares out around 17+. The 1961 neck has a very small heel and doesn't flare out until around fret #20, so it has much better upper access.

    The reason for the change after a few years was additional neck stability and strength of the joint. So you get that at the cost of a little access reduction. But, the '61 is still very popular.

    Here's a link to a '61 style. Oddly, Epiphone doesn't show them very well, but if you scroll down to the "Neck Joint" section for each you will see the difference. Or, go to the GC site and look at them there where they have views of the rear of the guitar with the full neck shown.

    https://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone/Epiphone-SG-Special-P-90-Electric-Guitar-Sparkling-Burgundy-1500000314032.gc?rNtt=epiphone sg p90&index=2

    I haven't studied all the current SG models but it's easy to figure out once you know what to look for. Both designs are slim-60's. But they have others if you check the Epi site.

    EDIT: Here's some neck joint info... way more than you need but it has good photos: https://solidguitar.fandom.com/wiki/Dating#Heel_Joints
     
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