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Factory Refin - Stamps & Markings??

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by jimmyguitar, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. jimmyguitar

    jimmyguitar Strat-Talk Member

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    Hi guys. Shouldn't the numbers on body and neck heel correspond? This is being sold locally and I'd be interested if it were a legit factory refin...
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  2. niksevig119

    niksevig119 Strat-Talker

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    Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Ive read conflicting reports. It was an order number, or a customer number. And even just a paint code. I own two. A 59 tele that was done it CAR in 66/67. And a 61 strat. Sonic Blue. Just paint code and color on the bodies
     
  3. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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    Sep 19, 2015
    Hollywood, Ca
    I've never seen one that didn't have the same numbers. The whole point of putting the numbers on the guitar is so that the original neck and body would stay together. The markings on that body don't look factory to me. They're too sloppy. Plus, the finish looks really thick and orange peely. This was resprayed in 1963.

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  5. Opienor

    Opienor Strat-Talker

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    It´s pretty common to have different numbers on neck and body. My 1962 has a factory refin from 65 or 66 and has different numbers. I have seen many others like it.
     
  6. jimmyguitar

    jimmyguitar Strat-Talk Member

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    Ah, that's a shame I saw your reply too late, the auction ended and I decided not to bid! I'm looking for a nice jazzmaster or jag if anyone is thinking of selling...
     
  7. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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    Can you share photos? What is the explanation for why the codes are different?

    All of the factory refins I've seen that were legit had matched codes. Factory refins in the 50's had the serial number impressed. In the 60's, it was a production number. Never seen a real factory refinished guitar with different numbers.
     
  8. Opienor

    Opienor Strat-Talker

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    Maybe they just changed their system for numbering refin parts? I really don´t see the reason for the matching numbers. After all the numbers are there to identify the parts during the refinishing, not to match them years down the line. At least it makes sence to me for using different sequence numbers for different workstations in the factory. That way the worker doing the necks had a logical sequence of orders to follow instead of a random (to him/her) number, as did the person doing the bodies.
    But that´s just my theory. Would be really cool if somebody with more knowledge could chime in.

    Here are pictures of my 1962 with a mid 60´s refinish. I bought this through a very reputable vintage dealer. It would surprise me if he didn´t know what he was selling.

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  9. jofish

    jofish Strat-O-Master

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    I always thought that was the case too, seems to make sense. Maybe the guitars that came out with non-matching numbers (like the lovely sunburst above) were not the original pairing of neck and body... who knows? I'd like to hear from someone who knows more here too :)
     
  10. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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    That's bizarre. I have photos of about 30 factory refins I've bought and sold. All of them have the same numbers on the neck and body. Regardless, I don't believe the guitar the OP was asking about was refinished at Fender. At least not the body. Photos aren't the greatest, though.

    Has anyone else seen factory refins with inconsistent numbers?
     
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  11. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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    Do you know approximately when yours was refinished? I just looked at this one a day ago. Logo would indicate 1963/1964. The number is in the vicinity of yours. IMG_2212.JPG

    Number on the body did match.
     
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  12. Opienor

    Opienor Strat-Talker

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    That´s interesting! Did you get to take a picture of the body also? Would love to see it.
    My 62 has five patent numbers on the peghead decal, so I guess that would place the refin somewhere in the 1965-66 period. I have tried to do more research on this online but there aren´t a lot of resources that really get into the numbering system. Surely there are knowledgeable people on this forum. Hope they chime in.
     
  13. Opienor

    Opienor Strat-Talker

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    Here is a quote from a thread I found over at the tdpri.com forum conserning a 1966 Strat refinished in CAR. The answer looks to be written by someone working in retail at the time:

    Here is the link: http://www.tdpri.com/threads/the-qu...guitar-has-been-refinished-1966-strat.161700/
     
  14. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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  15. guitar1981

    guitar1981 Strat-Talker

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    Hollywood, Ca
    Here's another I sold awhile back. This is a 1953 Tele refinished in 1957. IMG_0612.JPG IMG_0627.JPG
     
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