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Fake or not 2000 Classic Player Custom Shop Strat Body?

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  1. scalloped

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    AM CL??? Please help me? IMG_0332.JPG IMG_0335.JPG IMG_0336.JPG
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    I think you're getting your terminology confused. You refer to a Classic Player, which is a Mexican made Strat, with a misleading neckplate that says "Custom Shop Designed" (whatever that means....) even though it was made in Mexico.

    The writing on the certificate of the guitar you have pictured seems to say Custom Classic, which is a very different guitar altogether. The Custom Classic is basically a Custom Shop (i.e. USA) version of the American Standard Strat.
     
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    You're right, it does say that. And that page is highly misleading - yet another example of Fender not checking their own facts...:rolleyes:

    CN prefixed numbers were commonly used on all kinds of Custom Shop guitars in the 1990s. Since the turn of the century, they seem to be mainly used on Custom Classics & other similar guitars. It's illogical & confusing & the least that Fender could do would be to update their "product dating" webpage to reflect what is actually true.

    CN prefixed serial numbers along with the second (of three) Custom Shop decals (the one with USA at the bottom) are a common feature of CS guitars from the early 90s till around 1999 - which is when the current CS decal was introduced.
     
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    Looks real to me, don't know about the discoloration on the back of the neck, but I'm on my phone. What is the asking price?
     
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    Email to Fender. It would appear to be a '99 Custom Shop model based on an AM Standard. Looks very blocky and square, especially the neck.
     
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    AM CL = American Classic Lacquer , no?
     
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    Well that's what a Custom Classic is! And that is what it says on the certificate......
     
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    What is "AM CL"? And where did that confusing piece of terminology come from?

    It's a Custom Classic guys......
     
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    But it's much harder to fake a certificate than the guitar ... :whistling:
     
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    Calm down buddy, it's stamped in the neck pickup pocket of the body. Fender CS usually stamps the model name and finish type like that. I have similar stamp on mine as well.
     
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    And yet we have identified hundreds of fake Fenders on here - but how many fake CS certificates have we identified?

    Guys - there really is no mystery about this guitar, the confusion comes from people using misleading terminology, that's all.
     
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    No they don't.
     
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    Lately all the 'fakes' seem to have been real, easily identifiable Fender guitars too. :D
     
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    Ahhh..Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.:D
     
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    What is it with you today? I'm lyin? I own two CS guitars from Fender and both do.

    Here is an example
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    I know nothing about the custom shop, but what's going on with the back of the headstock? It looks like the aging toner was unevenly applied (missed) in that spot. Or was the finish stripped?
     
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    I think it's just a glare the neck is has a bit figuring which makes the light reflect weird. On the other the red dye on the neck heel is weird like @Paperback Rocker noted.

    But other than that to me it looks perfectly normal. The body suggest that it's a Custom shop American Classic
     
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    Its legit. The custom classic for that time period was only stamped in the neck pick up cavity for the model on the body.
    I dont see anything fake about the guitar.
     
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    What does that mean & why are you personalising things like that? You said "Fender CS usually stamps the model name and finish type like that." & I said "no they don't". The CS may or may not stamp some bodies, but they do not usually stamp the model name and finish type like that.

    Some might - but most don't. That's why they supply them with COAs - they give this information. And since this guitar comes with the COA which identifies it as a Custom Classic, I don't see what there is to discuss here.

    Case solved.
     
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