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Formvar vs Enamel pick-ups

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by sikoniko, Oct 14, 2017.

Formvar vs Enamel pick-ups

  1. Formvar

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  2. Enamel

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  1. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    So..no guesses? I guess there isn't a noticeable difference then.
    :D
     
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  2. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    61
    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    No guess from me, sir. I know the secret of good tone rests somewhere else.

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  3. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    Tonehound Slippers©

    :D
     
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  4. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    61
    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    You clearly know your slippers. Like an idiot, I went over to a pair of HumBunnies. I have to say, they don't have the same bite.

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  5. T Guitar Floyd

    T Guitar Floyd Senior Stratmaster

    Oct 27, 2014
    Arizona
    To my ears the 2nd Strat (gold) had the "coolest" tone. :cool:
     

  6. dbbluesproject

    dbbluesproject Senior Stratmaster

    Nov 3, 2015
    Maine
    What he said............
     

  7. FormerTeleGuy

    FormerTeleGuy Senior Stratmaster

    Nov 17, 2013
    Oak Lawn, IL
    oh **** here we go again.
     

  8. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    It's Inca Silver. While it's the most expensive guitar I own, it's also my least favorite. :D
     
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  9. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    I feel obliged to be helpful & offer to look after it for you, if that would help? ;)
     
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  10. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    That's very informative. Thanks for posting.
     

  11. TheDudeMan

    TheDudeMan Strat-Talker

    Age:
    39
    246
    Sep 19, 2016
    The Crossroads
    never wear crocs while you play.... Not only does your tone leak out the holes but so does your dignity....
     

  12. inra311

    inra311 Strat-Talker

    230
    Oct 12, 2008
    Europe
    The dielectric constant of enamel and formvar is also different which means even with same thickness the capacity of the coil will be different. But I agree that the difference in thickness of the coil due to the 'heavy' (= thicker) fomvar is more important here.
     

  13. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Certified Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    58
    May 21, 2010
    In my own little world
    I just read this thread and have become totally despondent, knowing that I will never understand, let alone achieve the sheer level of navel gazery aspired to by some posters here.

    It's freaking wire. By the time the signal has gone through a guitar cable to an amp, let alone the bunny slipper stomp box you're lucky if you can even hear what kind of guitar it is.
     
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  14. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    Calm down dear.....



     
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  15. candyapple1964

    candyapple1964 Senior Stratmaster

    Mar 9, 2014
    Australia
    There is a difference it can be measured. Some people don't hear it some do.

    To say its just wire is most certainly wrong.

    Cheers
     

  16. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Certified Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    58
    May 21, 2010
    In my own little world
    Wooooosh!
     

  17. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 1, 2009
    My house.
    Ive had both and used to think I could hear the difference.

    Its just as likely I was just hearing a different set of pickups.

    FWIW my favorite strat pickups are lace sensor golds. I have no idea what wire they use but, they use a ceramic magnet I believe.

    Point being, a strat is gonna sound like a strat for the most part.
     

  18. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    61
    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    I think there's a lot of truth in that. I've heard John 5 playing country music on a Tele loaded with humbuckers and it still sounded like a Tele to me. Same with a Strat. Changing the pickups changes the tone somewhat, but it still sounds – and responds – like a Strat. I have two Strats, one with CS pickups and the other with Lace Sensors. They sound quite different, but they are still within that 'Strat range of tonalities'.

    That said, if players can hear a difference between one set of seemingly similar pickups and another, they are the judge and jury to me. We make music because it sounds good, so choosing the gear we play it on without the same aesthetic would be somewhat strange. :)
     

  19. slowerhand

    slowerhand Strat-Talker

    209
    Feb 26, 2010
    Bangkok
    The insulation is thinner than on heavy formvar, so for the same number of windings, you'll have a smaller (narrower) coil and therefore a brighter pickup. I hear it in some demos if you go back and forth, but the pickups in my 65 sound surprisingly warm so I don't think I could tell from playing a guitar what's in it. Still, it's one of the variables winders use to come up with different designs.
     

  20. simoncroft

    simoncroft Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    61
    May 30, 2013
    SE England
    I've largely given up on digital multi-effects units for for exactly that reason. However, I am concerned about what will happen if I get new slippers for Christmas. :D
     
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