Freaky.............what are the odds?

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  1. Parksie

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    Since I got my vintage reissue a couple of weeks ago I've been a little obsessed with all things Fullerton.

    So I was having my regular google trawl a few days ago looking for Fullerton reissue info and by chance saw an ad that was placed by an Aussie guitar site called Great Guitars.

    The link to the ad is below;

    http://www.greatguitars.com.au/82.Fender.57.RI.Stratocaster.guitar.htm

    Anyway the crazy thing is the neck date on this particular 57' issue is exactly the same as mine!

    Now Im not sure of the odds of this but considering the super low numbers coming out of the factory in mid 82' and the fact that the serial number is V000505 I would think finding an exact same date of manufacture for the neck is pretty small.

    Here is a pic of the 2 necks.

    Mine is the one on the left.

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    Would be great to get your comments on how rare you think this would be or not?

    Cheers.

    Parksie
     
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  2. BigDan

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    Some coincidence! How about this one.
    My favorite pups are the David Allen true 54's On my strat I installed 10 years ago. Just purchased my David Allen Brown Sugar. Different person. Same name. Both best Tone for my ears. On both.
     
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  3. SpeedKing

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    Looks like the same employee dated them too to my eye.

    I can't answer your question but I do have one of my own.... Do the Japanese date in the logical, ordered, Christian way of the British (and presumably therefore also all of you down under?) or do they do it all backwards like the Yanks?

    In other words are those June necks as I'd expect or August necks as I'd expect if I were an Atlantic hoping cousin?
     
  4. Parksie

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    Heres the answer for the Japanese date system below from wikipedia.

    The most commonly used date format in Japan is "year month day (weekday)", with the Japanese characters meaning "year", "month" and "day" inserted after the numerals. Example: 2008年12月31日 (水) for "Wednesday 31 December 2008".


    So these are August necks made in the Fullerton factory.
     
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    Believer7713 The Pink Bunnyman Frankenstein Silver Member

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    August 6 1982. My dad turned 39 years old that day.
     
  6. SpeedKing

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    I was forgetting yours was made in the US when I posted... somehow confused it with an old Japanese reissue I'd been posting somewhere in a thread about. Sorry.

    As you say August necks.
     
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    I’m no handwriting expert but I’d say you’re right there
     
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    Absolutely 100% the same person dated these necks.
     
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  9. Parksie

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    Oh no worries mate - I just **** myself for a minute there!

    :D
     
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    I'd even suggest that the dates are written by the same hand
     
  11. Parksie

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    This must be an amazing amp!
     
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    Same handwriting, looks like
     
  13. Scott Baxendale

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    They probably turned out a few hundred necks that day. The date is put on just prior to finishing so it doesn’t necessarily mean those two guitars came out of the factory on the same day. It just means those two necks were signed with a pencil under the finish on the same day.
     
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    That sounds very unlikely to me. AVRI (or whatever we've decided to call them...) production as early as August 1982 was just getting geared up after a slow start & I find it very hard to believe that they were making "a few hundred necks" a day.
     
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    Yep, I'd have to agree with Stratman.

    The serial number on the other guitar was V000505.

    Also, this is an interesting read in relation to early Fullerton production;

    https://www.squealingpigguitars.co.uk/single-post/2017/03/16/fullerton-era-1982-1984-fender-reissues

    Also take note that there were 4 different instruments making up the V000000 series, 2 stratocasters, jazz bass precision bass and the telecaster at that rate if 50% of the instruments being made were stratocasters and they were making between 10-15 instruments a day...average of 12.5 instruments....then only 6.75 stratocasters maximum sometimes less per day were being made in the early days of the fullerton reissues.
     
  16. AxemanVR

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    I bought a 2020 Gibson SG Standard back in December with the serial number 22110XXXX

    Then I noticed that my 1991 Gibson Les Paul Studio's serial number is 92111XXX


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    The 2nd, 3rd and 4th digits (211) indicate the day in the year each guitar was completed (or at least stamped) and they were both stamped on the 211th day of their respective years! BUT! It turns out that there's been a little wrench thrown in my excitement: Since 2020 was a "leap year" these two days actually fall on a different date!

    211th day in 1991 = July 30th
    211th day in 2020 = July 29th


    So, I guess it's not quite as amazing as I originally thought... but still pretty damned close!!!


     
  17. Scott Baxendale

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    According to what info I could find Fender averages around 200,000 Strats per year, which equals 769 Strat necks made per day. Now in 1982 their production numbers were less than that but not less than half of that. Even at half that is is still 380 necks per day. 1982 was during the time Fender went back to the small headstock on Strats and started their Custom Shop. It was the same time Jay Black came to see me in Nashville and after I showed some of our restorative aging techniques he came up with the idea for the Fender CS Relic Series.
     
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    Apparently there were approx 16,000 instruments made in the AVRI period of 1982 to 1984.


    From opening and closing of the plant they made (16000) V000000 instruments. The best way to date is the neck date-pot codes and serial number.

    As a broad generality V000001-V004000 denote a 1982 guitar, V004000-V010000 denote a 1983 guitar, and V010000-V016000 denotes a 1984 guitar.


    At this rate they made 2000 Stratocasters in 1982, (1000 or more 57's and less than 1000 62 reissues.) 3000 in 83 and 3000 in 84. 9000 in all from Fullerton.
     
  19. Guy Named Sue

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    A few years ago a guitar shop here realized that they were sitting on two black beauty Les Pauls from late 50s with consecutive serial numbers.

    That was a cool and unusual coincidence, how these two guitars with separate owners wound up in the same shop.

    One with factory bigsby and the other regular. Both 1956
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