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Green lettering on knobs in the 80s?

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  1. Estibi

    Estibi Strat-Talk Member

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    Here is a question for people who really know the minutia:

    I came into possession of an '82 Dan Smith strat (three knobs with body mounted output jack) that I'm trying to bring back to close to original specs, within reason. It's black with white plastics but a prior owner changed the plastics out to black. I have originals for two pickup covers, two of the knobs. So I need to either replace with a complete set so they all match (Fender pure vintage set I guess) or just accept that one pickup cover and one knob won't match up.

    In the process of this I noticed that the knobs have green lettering. I always thought of that as a '60s thing, not an '80s thing. Did they really still use the paint that aged to green in the early 80s? Also, did they still use the three-spoke inside in the early 80s or had they already transitioned to the four spoke one?

    I'm trying to figure out if someone already had replaced the original knobs with ones from a different older guitar or not, which would help me decide whether to re-install them.

    Thanks for any ideas!


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  2. Silvercrow

    Silvercrow Senior Stratmaster

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    I know that with Gibson, certain gold colored lettering (and paints) developed a verdigris (green) over a period of time- but have no idea for a black-lettered Strat knob. Interesting- I'll be watching this- stuff like this interests me!

    Brian
     
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  3. R-Dizzle

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    I have a 2006 MIM Strat and the numbers have started to turn green, so it's still possible, at least with mine.

    If you need green number knobs go here lhttps://www.stratcat.biz/vttc.shtml
     
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  4. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Most Honored Senior Member

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    the "paint" used to fill the lettering has a copper/brass alloy in it to give it a gold look.., it corrodes over time.. brass, copper, etc can develop a green appearance as it corrodes..

    rk
     
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  5. Estibi

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    I know that was true of the old paint they used in the 50s and 60s. I had a '91 strat for 25 years that had lettering that never turned green in the slightest in all that time. So I am wondering if / when they changed the formula. Just trying to see if there's a rule of thumb some guru here knows.
     
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  6. rocknrollrich

    rocknrollrich Senior Stratmaster

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    My strat knobs have green lettering now.
    They used to have gold lettering.
     
  7. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Most Honored Senior Member

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    Good news!! ya cannot hear what color the lettering is.... neither can the audience.... rock on..

    rk
     
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  8. 3bolt79

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    I just sold some knobs of my 82 Dan Smith.that I used to have. They looked just like yours.
     
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  9. Wrighty

    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    They look green, like, original, painted green, not ‘turned to green’
     
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    Wrighty Senior Stratmaster

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    Rubbish, every change changes the tone.....................................troll alert!
     
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    So it IS a verdigris thing! At least with Fender gold paint too!

    Brian
     
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    I have the same thing happening on my 2014 Am Std Strat :D
     
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    I have a mint 82 DS all original .
    I will take pics later. Or check out my album as such. Congrats on joining the club and wish you good luck on restore.
     
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    You slay me Ron. :thumb:
     
  15. Estibi

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    I did look your pix up, very nice. I guess it's olympic white, with some aging to a slight yellow tint? Looks great!

    For those who crave a bit of guitar p0rn, here's my own black Dan Smith:

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    Sorry, but you are thinking of oxidation (reaction to oxygen) instead of corrosion (loss of material from chem exposure).
     
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    Helllloooooo. Mr. Pedantic.... On the knobs.. they are confronted with the salty perspiration from whomever plays the guitar... the chemistry contained therein CORRODES the metal component within the pigment comprising the paint. Oxidation MAY be a factor too... but it's the chemistry of a person coming in contact with the paint that facilitates and exacerbates the CORROSION.

    Oxidation would be a factor if the guitar was never touched... but in the few weeks ;) I have been involved with guitars, I cannot ever recall seeing a vintage era guitar that hadn't been touched .. a lot.. a whole lot...

    In this situation the corrosion would greatly supersede and eclipse any visual effect the oxidation could present.

    I tend to know what I'm thinking, unless I'm not thinking :p

    r
     
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    Copper turns green when it rusts (and copper is sorta similar to gold in color). Could they possibly have used copper lettering originally?
     
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    It was gold in color, I don't think it was actual gold paint though.
    Probably copper as you said.
     
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