HELP in Identifying this Guitar

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  1. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    I have been tryin to identify this one. It has no decals but there are several clues that hint this might be a Tokai, but I could be wrong though. Kindly chime in if youve got some info on it.

    The tuners have the single line "DELUXE" stamped on the back and the dome-ish top on the shafts, identical to the Tokais:

    "Deluxe" stamped on the back of the tuners
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    Dome-ish tuner shaft ends
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    The knobs are the small font type, also identical to Tokais:

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    I know the DM-50 and DM-30 are Gotoh Japan commonly used on MIJ guitars but ive never encountered this DM-50 "3" until.now.

    Switch DM 50-3
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    It weirded me out because it was a 5 way switch that has middle positions but never really like a usual 5 way switch. The middle positions arent "FIXED" and the in between positions 4 and 2 could somehow be randomly accessed.

    I couldnt find anything online, except a comment on a forum saying he had a switch exactly like that on his Tokai:

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    It has the undeniably Japanese Green "Chicklet" capacitor and Noble pots, which Ive later found out were Japanese too.

    Electronics 1
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    Noble Potentiometers
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    The pickups are ceramic although surprisingly good sounding. I could not see a sample of a Tokai with same-color wires.

    Pickup Bottom Ceramics
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    The saddles are unmarked. I could give it a benefit of the doubt that they might have been replaced, like most old strats have. But feels like the current saddles and bridge have come together.

    Bridge is a two-piece assembly, with the Full-size ZINC block removable from the plate (unlike the early cheap bridge assemblies where they are one piece).

    Bridge Assembly
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    Bridge Saddles
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  2. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    Tremblock
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    Routing is generally CLEAN. Very similar to Tokai routing (slope on the control cavity, like other Tokai made Fernandes). The Candy Apple Red paint seems really well-done.

    There seems to be a deeper route intentionally made to accomodate the switch? Signs shows it had been there to begin with, other than beinf add later.

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    Body Front
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    It does not have any serials though.

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    Appreciate your help.
     
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  3. Intune

    Intune Senior Stratmaster

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    Whatever it is, it looks to be very good quality. I’ve also never come across those tuners with the correct vintage shaft other then real vintage or Tokia.

    The 2020 custom shops are now starting to get the reissue tuners correct.


    That little cut out in the shaft I’m referring too. You don’t see that on very many reissue tuners until 2020
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  4. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    It doesnt have a serial though.

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    It does have that 64/65-ish "veneer" roseboard you hardly see, because im thinking they are harder to make or not really favored?

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    The end of the rosewood fretboard at the headstock is CONCAVE - consistent with 64/65 specs.

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  5. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    Yes. Ive only seen them on Tokais
     
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    I also would look into the neck route and on the neck heel.
     
  7. stormin1155

    stormin1155 Strat-Talker

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    I have a bridge/trem assembly out of a Springy Sound in one of my partscasters. The saddles are stamped "Final Prospec," and the block looks quite different than yours. The Tokai pickups I've seen have grey fiber flatwork.
     
  8. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    Yes. Those are the real deal. Im thinking this could probably be a lower tier version?

    Or im the body could be completely from.a different guitar
     
  9. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    It appears that Fernandes Revivals used the SAME tuners.

    Probably the Tokai factory connection?

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  10. Intune

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    Oh yes, I forgot about those!! Those were super good quality too
     
  11. yubsesperat

    yubsesperat Strat-Talk Member

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    Identified it as a Fresher FSV-380
     
  12. Intune

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    Really? How are did you determine that? They don’t have a round laminate fretboard, vintage kluson deluxe type tuners or bent steel saddles.