Help! Japanese or American 62?

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  1. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    Yes, but most people only read post one and then type their reply. :D
     
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    aww...

    I'll update the post 1...
     
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    You won't be able to edit it now, but don't worry about it.
     
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    Bottom line is it looks to us like your neck, tuners and neck plate are original to a US reissue.

    No reason to expect the body and electronics not to be likewise but that can't be confirmed until we see pics of the insides. Nothing here looks Japanese to me and there is no indication of that whatsoever.
     
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    Well electronics had been changed to cts, Pickguard is not original as it should be parchment or white on ocean turquoise body.

    Body is probably original too as far as I k ow. Moreover, the color was available in 1997 on AVRI. I'll take some pics.
     
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    There seems to be some validacy to the idea that string trees tend to be closer to the A string post on Japanese vintage-oriented guitars, and more centered between A and D string posts on MIA reissues.

    This has been discussed elsewhere at length, I'm not the first neither the last to bring this up.

    Is this a first go-to method of identifying these guitars? Certainly not.

    Is there variation within this general "rule"? Yes, there is. We will find string trees all over the place. But this doesn't mean that there isn't a general trend which can be found, or that this information isn't useful.

    I would say this is a complimentary, latest-resource way of authenticating these guitars when other methods are insufficient. Nonetheless, a valid method.

    @MIJ1988 deserves some justice. He wasn't saying any nonsense or misinformation.
     
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    That's true. I couldn't see very well on the picture, but the dots indeed appear to be closer together, indicating MIA. MIJ/CIJ have the period-correct spacing, as funny as it may seem.
     
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    OK, here are the pics of the body / neck pocket and electronics.

    We clearly see the original color under the white. The neck pocket had been painted, but there is a small unpaint spot and it really looks like alder. The white sticker remain on the neck pocket is coming from the neck, as it has probably been set before the paint was totally dry... the red round sticker is probably coming from the luthier who made the refinish. "V62" with something like a date is written on it.

    body.jpg

    NECKPOCKET.jpg

    electronic.jpg
     
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    Very nice! From all I have just learned about AVRI bodies, this looks like one, with a) that worm thingy and b) the characteristic srew-holes which have probably been while refinishing but are still visible.
     
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    Lol. The thumbnail thing I've never seen on the interweb I've just done it many times.
     
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    Hi Doc,
    My observations of the new pics:
    1) neck pocket is missing two diagonal screw holes for the gig- that may be telling, but also looks like they may have been painted over
    2) no shield (should have a full aluminum shield)
    3) pots do not appear to be correct for AV series of 1996
    4) not sure about the switch
    5) cap also appears to be incorrect for an AV series of 1996

    Any chance you have a pick of the p'ups w/o covers???
     
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    You must get all the soft stuff over there then. :D
     
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    I ran your serial with fender. Body is definitely a refinish and the blue underneath makes sense
    Fender has the original color as Ocean Turquoise in their data base from 1996.

    Model Name: U.S. Vintage ‘62 Stratocaster®
    Model Number: 010-0909-(Color#)
    Series: U.S. Vintage Series
    Body: Alder
    Neck: Maple
    Fingerboard: Rosewood (7.25” Radius/184 mm)
    Frets: 21 Vintage Size
    Scale Length: 25.5” (648 mm)
    Nut: 1.650” (42 mm)
    Hardware: Chrome
    Machine Heads: US Vintage Style
    Bridge: US Vintage Style Tremolo
    Pickguard: 3-Ply White
    Pickups: 3 US Vintage Single Coils
    Pickup Switching: 3 Position Blade
    Controls: Master Volume, Tone (Neck), Tone (Mid)
    Colors:
    (508) Ocean Turquoise
     
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    Well, to be honnest "japan" is printed behind the tuners and the end of the model number printed on my guarantee card is 808.
     
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    Fender changed the first digit on the model numbers for color codes throughout the years
    08 is the correct number for Ocean Turquoise Fender changed the prefix to 8 in 1990



    Model Name: U.S. Vintage ‘62 Stratocaster®
    Model Number: 010-0909-(Color#)
    Series: U.S. Vintage Series
    Body: Alder
    Neck: Maple
    Fingerboard: Rosewood (7.25” Radius/184 mm)
    Frets: 21 Vintage Size
    Scale Length: 25.5” (648 mm)
    Nut: 1.650” (42 mm)
    Hardware: Chrome
    Machine Heads: US Vintage Style
    Bridge: US Vintage Style Tremolo
    Pickguard: 3-Ply White
    Pickups: 3 US Vintage Single Coils
    Pickup Switching: 3 Position Blade
    Controls: Master Volume, Tone (Neck), Tone (Mid)
    Colors: (500) 3-Color Sunburst,
    (502) Lake Placid Blue, (Disc. 1990),
    (504) Daphne Blue, added 1989, (Disc. 1993),
    (506) Black,

    (508) Ocean Turquoise, added 1989,
    (509) Candy Apple Red,
    (540) Fiesta Red,
    (541) Vintage White,
    (557) Surf Green, added 1986, (Disc. 1990)

    Color Suffixes changed to (8XX) in 1990.
    (800)* 3-Color Sunburst *add $50.00,
    (806) Black,

    (808) Ocean Turquoise, (Disc. 1997),
    (809) Candy Apple Red,
    (840) Fiesta Red,
    (841) Vintage White, (Disc. 1997), added back in 1998,





    Fender also used Gotoh tuners which is a Japanese brand.

    https://www.tdpri.com/threads/american-reissue-tuners-made-in-japan.245484/
     
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    Wow thanks for all that infos.

    I'm curious, and English is not my primary language, what do you mean by "I ran your serial with fender."?
     
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    Just an FYI....the first "8" in the color code doesn't have anything to do with the color....it is the designation for the type of case....the "08" designates the color...same thing with the first "5" in the color code....

    I'm sure that JohnC will be along as he has great knowledge on which cases were which....
     
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  18. Mr Dunlop

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    Yah I did know the second digits were only the color codes. A quick look at the color chart shows this.
    I was unaware of the first digit was for the type of case.
     
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    Called fender customer service. They put the serial into their data base and those specs were what they had on file
     
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    Wow! Thanks a lot!
     
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