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How do you all feel about posting about early CBS guitars in this section?

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by slowerhand, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. slowerhand

    slowerhand Strat-Talker

    209
    Feb 26, 2010
    Bangkok
    I'm sure we can agree it's hard to pinpoint when the CBS takeover exactly started to make its negative mark. From a forum management perspective, I understand it's good to have a simple and unambiguous rule "pre 66 in this section, 1 January 1966 onwards in the general section". On the other hand, I suspect that a lot of the audience here also takes a strong interest in late sixties Strats. Personally, I don't even visit this forum outside this sub-forum so if someone posted a NGD for a 1967 Strat, I'd miss out on that.

    Couple of things made me reevaluate early CBS strat in the past year (besides always having had a soft spot for big headstock Strats):
    • 2 builders whose knowledge about vintage is second to none, and who are also great players, have personal Strats well into the CBS years (one 1971 the other 1974). Hmmm.
    • This gets me to point number 2, price. What it tells me is there are also some real gems there, and still obtainable for reasonable money. Probably have to tread with more care, but they're out there.
    This week I bought a Strat that may be a 1966, if the criterion is the neck stamp. I bought it online off a vintage acoustic specialist based on a tipoff that it's a superb guitar. The pickups are dated 8-31-65 but it being a big headstock strat, the neck is to my best knowledge December 1965 or later. Let's not get into the back story of why anyone would buy a vintage Strat without detailed photos (short answer, the guy who tipped me off was raving about it and he's played a lot of them, and that store just can't be bothered with electrics but I trust them completely -- store owner was selling it for a friend and the price was reasonable).

    I was wondering this week if I'd get shouted down by cranky old men if I posted pics about a 1966 Strat? Which makes me wonder, would it be desirable to shift the cutoff date here to include the early CBS years before too many undesirable changes had happened? Maybe draw the cutoff at 1970? Personally I'd be up for that as I suspect a lot of the same audience here takes an interest in these guitars, but could also appreciate it's a slippery slope. Or else another forum for CBS-era guitars?
     
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  2. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    Why not just add an early CBS forum section?
     

  3. Rastus

    Rastus Senior Stratmaster

    Jan 1, 2014
    Australia
    Hello,

    Welcome, & HNGD !!!

    A1. Anything is possible, but at least you're prepared !!! You will get back-up too BTW, I love all era's myself.

    A2. It's likely that by-now, only the majority of "good" guitars remain to be bought, regardless of rumor & innuendo of a particular era. If you need a cut-off-point, go for it !

    A3. It's only because Leo left in 1970, that folks think anything after this time, that the guitars made were crap. (Many crap guitars existed from Leo's time too !!! But shhh, don't tell anyone)....

    A4. Only you can decide if you'll be offended or not with the responses. While it's still a relatively free-world, speak freely !!!

    Too bad you're not interested in the new guitars !!! The replica's that are made now-days are far better in terms of consistency, & are likely much better players than anything made before hand IMO.

    Enjoy your new guitar, & some picture are more than welcome !

    Cheers,

    Rastus

    NB. The forum has it's own cut-off points just to keep the criteria within set-points. You're technically out-of-this set-point, so maybe mixed replies are to be expected.
     
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  4. rolandson

    rolandson Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 13, 2015
    Cascadia
    Well I think that the owner makes this distinction because that's the way he or she wants it to be.
    Their house -Their rules. A 66, even an early 66 isn't Pre CBS is it...

    I'm not really following why it matters to you, I mean it's not really degrading to post in the sub forum the owner intends is it?
     
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  5. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    Plenty of folks have posted pics of 66 Strats around here.

    I will shout you down for being an ageist twit though. :D
     

  6. Highway Star

    Highway Star Strat-Talker

    I had the same quiestion a couple of weeks ago when posting my 1971 strat. It's to vintage for the modern strat enthusiasts and to new for the pre-cbs squad (wich I belong to myself :D)
     
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  7. slowerhand

    slowerhand Strat-Talker

    209
    Feb 26, 2010
    Bangkok
    I totally get the "my house, my rules" thing, but times change and forums get updated. The Gear Page recently created a Vintage subforum and not long before that added a Rack forum based on popular demand. Kemper also made some changes to their forum structure 1-2 years ago. I'm not demanding that the owner change it, but I think it's interesting to discuss it and if the owner wants he/she can act on it. I also agree that creating another CBS-era subforum is a cleaner solution, except I'd have to click on 2 subforums now. :) IMO, in the past 10 years these are being reevaluated and getting their own share of fans.

    As for posting it in the technically correct other forum here, to be honest, I'd rather then just post elsewhere. Reason: I suspect many of the vintage afficionados don't even go there, and many of the regulars there think vintage is stupid. Not that my ego can't take it, but why bother?

    PS: I like modern strats too, for sure, as I do vintage and more recent MIJ.
     
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  8. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

    Nov 19, 2014
    Comfy Chair
    It puzzles me that there's not a CBS era forum....

    A Custom Shop forum would probably be worthwhile too.
     

  9. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    Because there would be a 20 page argument about where the cut-off point should be!

    And also because there is no need. Pre-CBS, CBS, & & post CBS - those are the generally accepted main eras for Fender. Subdividing them any further would cause more confusion for no advantage.

    Also, I can't imagine there are more than a handful of people who are so narrow minded as to say anything like "Personally, I don't even visit this forum outside this sub-forum". o_O
     
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  10. Will Lefeurve

    Will Lefeurve Senior Stratmaster

    Mar 1, 2016
    England & France
    My thoughts entirely.. ^^^^^^ :thumb:
     

  11. sikoniko

    sikoniko Strat-Talker

    years ago I asked the owner to create a custom shop section. Mainly because a lot of people used to enter into threads about custom shop guitars and troll about them being overpriced, etc. The idea was more to keep people interested in that specific area focused and not mixed together with other price point models. He decided not to do it.

    I don't know that he comes in here enough to moderate and force a move of topics. I think it would be VERY appropriate to have any 4 bolt (pre-3bolt) pre-cbs and cbs stratocaster in this section. So I say go for it. Realistically, the 'golden years' include up to 1969. 1970 drops in price and desirability only because of perception. They were still made the same way they were made in 1969.

    When it comes to the three bolt CBS era stratocasters and beyond, it is not that great guitars don't exist, it's that consistency of them dramatically drops.
     
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  12. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    He was right not to do it.

    Why does it matter? Who cares which forum something is in? If the title of a thread looks like it might be of interest, we have a look to see if it actually is of interest. And if it is, we may join in.

    Isn't that how most people do things on here? Few of us are solely interested in just one narrow sector of the Strat world.
     

  13. sikoniko

    sikoniko Strat-Talker


    then why have any sub categories with that logic?
     
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  14. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    57
    Apr 21, 2010
    London, UK
    Perhaps you may prefer to argue this point with the list owner?

    Good luck!
     
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  15. slowerhand

    slowerhand Strat-Talker

    209
    Feb 26, 2010
    Bangkok
    Exactly what I was thinking. Let's just have one big forum. :) I think you already said it, mixing too many price points together and as a result too many inane groundhog day discussions about vintage being overpriced, others chiming in that CBS era is junk and you should just buy new, etc. It's about having critical mass and an active community around a certain interest. Of course, you don't want to have 100 subforums either, it's a balance to be struck.
     

  16. rolandson

    rolandson Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 13, 2015
    Cascadia
    The business of where to post is clearly outlined in the 'forum rules' section. You read that, right?

    But feel free to bring it up with management...
    https://www.strat-talk.com/forums/forum-problems-or-issues.17/

    Though it might serve you to keep in mind that Strat Talk isn't a democracy

    As for myself, when I am interested in a specific topic, I go to that forum. I don't wish to have to filter through more extraneous threads than I absolutely have to. Especially ones that don't really meet the criteria.

    And when I am just browsing, I use "Recent Posts".
     

  17. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    This is probably very true :)
     

  18. Will Lefeurve

    Will Lefeurve Senior Stratmaster

    Mar 1, 2016
    England & France
    Mmmn.. I smell Strat 'apartheid' coming on..

    Get the owner to demand tax returns of all members, and then income/wealth can decide entry to sub-forums.

    Pre CBS : entry point - Stinking Rich

    CBS/Custom : entry point - Median Income

    The leftovers : entry point - Breathing + IQ of 40+ a prerequisite

    That should solve the problem with "mixing too many price points together and as a result too many inane groundhog day discussions about vintage being overpriced, others chiming in that CBS era is junk and you should just buy new, etc". Sorted.. ;)
     
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  19. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

    Nov 19, 2014
    Comfy Chair
    Haha. I'm certainly in the lower median income pre-CBS strat owner's club...

    But then, my wife pays more than the price of a refinned preCBS (like mine) on a used car every three years.

    I drive my used car a few years longer. :D
     

  20. Mipstoo

    Mipstoo Strat-Talker

    417
    Mar 18, 2013
    Rockingham Palace
    Damn. Thanks to an offshore company construction in Panama I’m falling in the last category. It was nice here in this subforum while it lasted.
     
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