How do you continue to enjoy the music of someone you found out was a total a'hole

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  1. Mason Gordon

    Mason Gordon Strat-Talk Member

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    Born in the 1950s, I was lucky enough to be brought up on the finest and most creative musical talent spanning the '60s, 70s and to a lesser extent the 1980s. I had heroes in The Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Cream, Pink Floyd, Free, Deep Purple and even Elvis, well very early pre Holywood, pre-obese Elvis, along with many others, however as the years have passed it turns out that there was a total a'hole in each of the aforementioned legends along with many other artists and bands that I loved.

    The most disappointing of all for me being John Lennon. I adored The Beatles and still do, but my enjoyment of their music is now forever tainted every time I hear Lennon's nasal vocals since I found out over the years what a horrible person he was to his wife, child and many a fan. The Stones in their early days had the extremely unpleasant Brian Jones fathering children everywhere and abandoning them; Hendrix's nasty alcoholic and drug addled incidents; Cream's Ginger smack-head the epitome of nastiness; Floyd's "I am Pink Floyd" Waters, (it turned out he wasn't) who treated the gentle and mega-talented Rick Wright like a lackey; Free's Paul Rogers who treated Paul Kossoff, one of the finest blues guitarists ever, appallingly; Purple's Blackmore who to this day is still just a complete a'hole; and finally Elvis turns out to be a hick and a drug using hypocrite who tried to get the CIA to prevent the Beatles from working in America.

    In spite of the knowledge I now have of many a favourite band or artist's seriously unpleasant traits, I still listen to them, but the gloss has somewhat faded. Yes, I know there are a'holes everywhere, but they don't spoil my enjoyment of my musical favourites. It's a bit like finding out that Santa, the Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and God are all made up.
     
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    My all time favorite thing to do is go to a movie. I LOVE movies.

    If I didn't separate the art from the artist, I'd never step foot in a theater again.
     
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    Beatles are still my # 1 band. I’m more pissed at John for snubbing Julian Lennon, and then marring that con artist Yuko.
     
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    Some artists need to get over themselves, especially when they get all Political and chummy with certain politicians.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with being a 'hick', or a drug-using hypocrite for that matter... :) !!

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    If you're only going to appreciate art made by super nice guys, your options are going to be severely limited.
     
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    I’ve had trouble with LZ since I heard about Jimmy Page’s controversies… even made me reconsider buying his signature tele
     
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    It literally doesn't matter. If it sounds good I'm listening. Example, Lars of Metallica is a total douche, but I still stream them, idgaf
     
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    sam_in_cali Scream for me Strat-Talk! Silver Member

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    Well, rock music has an almost endless list of a-holes. That's kind of a big part and the allure of the genre. The beauty is that everyone has their own spectrum of what they will and and won't condone and support.
     
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    The list of decent good people in rock music is very short.
     
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    I listen to the music. It has been a commonplace since the fifties in critical theory re poetry and literature generally that biography has no place in a serious effort at plumbing the depths of a work of art. It can make for interesting context - i have read a LOT of bioghraphies of artists I admire - but when it comes to the artwork itself, that's all just a distraction. The only thing worse is appropriating a text or work as a medium for political whining or for demonstrating some numbskull ideological take on matters historical or sociological.
     
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    I'm just as abrasive in person as I am on the forums.
     
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    Can you name a musician you listen to who is NOT an a'hole of sorts (to your knowledge)?

    Generally speaking, really brilliant artists aren't respected and revered for their social graces and kindness towards others.
     
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    You can't go by anecdotes or fan encounters. We're ALL assholes once in a while.
     
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    that's the long and short of it in my opinion... and that extends pretty far beyond rock and roll.
     
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    Just an a-hole I can deal with.

    But if I find out they harm children or worship certain fallen entities I'm done.
     
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    It's a tricky question, I don't think you can totally separate the art from the artist. But I think there's a large difference between someone like Lennon who at times could definitely be an arsehole and someone like Ian Watkins lead singer of The Lost Prophets who was convicted of the sexual assault of young children and babies.

    I guess it's a personal decision to whether you can reconcile someone's behaviour with your love of their art, and although there are things in Lennon's life I'm not a fan of, I have to admit that if my life was put under a microscope the way Lennon's has been there would be plenty of things I wouldn't be proud of either, so while I may not approve of Lennon's antics I can understand him as a person, and so I'm not ashamed to love him as an artist. With someone like Watkins I think everything he's ever produced should be burnt.
     
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    There's a pretty big gap between being an ******* and a heinous criminal.
     
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    Unless they were an a$$hole to me directly, who am I to judge?
     
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    Speaking as a total a-hole, I guess it doesn't matter :p
     
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