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How do you keep time? In the practice

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  1. diverse379

    diverse379 Strat-O-Master

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    I read in an article in bss player magazine that an hour of practice with a metronom is worth 7 without.

    I don’t know how accurate those numbers are. But I notice a huge improvement of my playing when I consistently bring Time keeping to the practice. Whether it is progression practice licks scales new chords or a song.

    I am sure we all know the value of time and groove.
    However, I would like to explore how we use time in the practice shed. Metronomes
    Slowed by half and mentally put the click on the 2 and 4
    Is one of the hardest things i have ever done and still cannot effectively do
    It but the musicians that i have encountered that can do it have INCREDIBLE groove and time.

    Slow the metronome down to 1/4/ And use the click to be the one.

    Drum machines

    Drum machines on iOS and android devices.

    Your favorite DAW

    Clicking your tongue
    Patting your foot.

    Barry Harris has you think or count six or triplets against four
    This yields a natural swing since only the first beat of each measure lines up.

    Currently I use a drum groove app on my phone and iPad.

    Whatever I am playing I can find a genre and groove loop that can function as a backing loop to my exercise of the day.

    I cannot stress the importance of playing to some kind of time keeping in order to develop time.

    Maybe it’s my bass and piano tenure kicking in.

    Because I know that unless you are playing rhythm or funk a guitarist has more flexibility when it comes to phrasing.

    However solid time and groove will keep you in the loop pardon the pun
     
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    I tap my foot, same thing I have done for 29 years since I began playing.
     
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    I do the same. I also have a free metronome app on my phone, but I never use it- I probably should.
     
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    I do it the same way the drummer does.
     
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    Alesis SR-16 drum machine.

    For me it's better than a click, and my timing has become incredibly accurate over the years because of it.

    So much so that I can't deal with erratic drummers anymore. Just won't put up with it.

    And I am fine with that.

    I once heard Carol Kaye (famous Wrecking Crew session bassist) say it is your job to make a mechanical metronome sound like it's swinging.

    When Carol Kaye speaks, I listen.
     
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    I have no problem getting around on a drum kit and I dont drum like a guitar player..

    so timing is something I grab and feel.. but also with that comes some issues.

    like trying to mess with timing to create different feeling movements.. that in the end all connect but during the 1 2 and 3 turns dont connect. but 1 connects with 4 and 2 connects with 3 if that makes sense..

    see....

    timing is great..

    but when you start messing with it.. its hard to get the 4/4 guys to pick up what youre putting down.

    its kinda lame... to mention.. but.. in the movie the dirt there... they kinda touch on it when they are trying out guitar players.

    the hippy dude is all "hey man come on this is stuff I have never heard before" 4/4 player then mick comes in and just grabs it by the bag and says ok boys, lets go.
     
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    ido1957 Senior Stratmaster

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    Been playing with drum machines since the 70s (duos/groups/practice).
    Not hard to make it swing if you are used to them.

    I have a friend who can't follow a drum machine. Maybe it's all the beer he drinks. Could be psychological though or fear lol...

    Currently use the drum machine in my Yamaha keyboard whenever practicing (playing and singing).
    If I'm sitting on the couch I will use the Google metronome.

    You really notice the variety in drummers' timing when playing pub jams.
     
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    Bob the builder Most Honored Senior Member

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    I played drums alot of years. Don't have timing issues. Now I just put a beat on the looper and tap my foot...or head...or dance...
    It's all good
     
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    I find when I work on things in isolation, I tend to start playing it faster than it really is, or perhaps slower if speed is part of the challenge.

    Using a reference for tempo on a regular basis I think is important. I use drum beats from an app. I can play to a click, but something that at least sounds like a drum is more musical.

    It makes it more fun also. There's really nothing like the feeling of getting into the groove and really feeling it. I can tap my foot and get a groove going as I'm playing.

    The earlier you start working with something like this the better. I have seen people that can play but can't keep time for beans and it frustrates them to no end. With no time reference it's too easy to slow down on the parts that are hard and speed up on the parts that are easy. I work on this with my kids with the all of the time with their music lessons. I also make sure they have opportunities to play in groups and ensembles which is the ultimate practice of keeping time.
     
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    I think that’s what prompted me to write the post.
    Some are just practicing without a time feel and will speed up and slow down.
    For folk and other music it may not make much of a difference
    But the more subdivisions in the music the more you have to be right with that snare. And back beat
     
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    Bob the builder Most Honored Senior Member

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    When Im working on the mechanics I purposely try to play it fast. If I can get it there bringing it down to speed lets me work on the feel more
     
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    For feel I try to count, think or feel 6 and make it fit into the 4

    It provides a natural lilt
    Because only first beat lines up.
     
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    Even for folk and other genres it makes it sound sloppy if the tempo varies with the complexity of the music. There's nothing wrong with tempo changes, but they shouldn't be because of the inability to play at the required tempo :).

    I agree that playing in time is very important.

    I never really learned it formally, but I think I keep pretty good time. I go totally by feel though I'll try to count tricky parts out.
     
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    I like to use a drum app to work on picking techniques.

    I also like to fit triplet phrases over 4/4.
    Or go from 1/8 notes to 1/16 notes and back again in the same phrase.
    Things like that.
    I also like to play on the beat, behind the beat, and in anticipation of the beat.
    I try to make rhythms "swing", and shuffle, and play something perfectly square .

    Mess with timing. Music is so much more than just note choices.
    Rhythm is king.
     
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    Then there's a timing issue
    Should fall on 1 & 3
     
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    i tap my foot to the drum beat and or move my body. i improvise in my head when i hear music to see if i would fit in with it while tapping my feet. and i try to do it with music i would never choose to listen to as much as possible in hopes it turns me into a timing machine.
     
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    No sir
    You fit 6 into four
    Literally count six in the place of four
    The only place they line up is on the one
    Try it
     
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    Listen to drum rudiments and then make your licks into "rudiments." Drum corps drummers read charts but they are often playing at tempos that would make a speed metal guitar player pass out. The only way that they can do that is that they have been practicing rudiments that teach them how to fit various combinations of time figures into various length spaces.
     
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