How to detect a neck switcheroo?

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  1. nickmsmith

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    Sorry. Classic Series 60s.
    custom shop is way out of my league.
     
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  2. Intune

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    Oh damn I was gonna say! Even the those classic series necks aren’t that cheap.
     
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    Impulsive guppy Strat-O-Master Gold Supporting Member

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    There was a thread here recently where people want to special order neck and body combinations directly from Fender.
    If it could be handled at the dealer, might be good for the local shop.
    That would be kind of cool!
     
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    Customer: ‘I’d like an Olympic white Strat with Maple neck, please shopkeeper’

    Shopkeeper: ‘I can get one in for you by Thursday’

    Customer: ‘That’s great, see you then’

    Later that day, on the workbench out back in Guitars R Us:

    Shopkeeper to assistant: ‘Get me down that sunburst Strat with the maple neck and the white with rosewood please’

    Assistant: ‘will do’

    Shopkeeper: ‘Right, re pack this white Strat, there’s a customer coming in to try it on Thursday, oh, and put this sunburst / rosewood one out on the wall’.

    Thursday afternoon, satisfied customer with perfectly good Strat.

    I would suggest that, had the shopkeeper ordered one from Fender at a time when they didn’t have one ready go, they may well have done the same thing. If they had necks and bodies but not yet assembled it would be purely chance as to which neck was grabbed from the pile and which body it was married with. Has anyone here ever demanded that a store pull apart the new Strat for sale so as to confirm the neck and body left Fender together and, at no time after they were selected from stock, did they part company? I doubt it, and would be interested to know what response you got if you did!
     
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  5. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    If you'd have done that in the shop I was talking about, you would have been "escorted" gently to the door by Danny and Bodz, then kicked down the street. :whistling:
     
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    Rightly so!
     
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  7. dscottyg

    dscottyg Strat-O-Master

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    See that. If he had put that neck on a black model of that year or if the serial number was on the neckplate you would never know it had been swapped. It doesn’t seem like there was any info on the heel or the heel pocket to indicate a switcheroo.
     
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    Unless Fender documented the neck & body at build, there really is no way to tell. I mean same model & year, what if the neck pocket & neck were just a sloppier QC inspection ? That might be a hint, sloppier match of neck & neck pocket. Maybe shims ? But there are others that claim they do that just the same. Fender would have to document that too & provide certificate of authenticity. To my knowledge you're only getting a certificate of authenticity from a Custom Shop Fender ? Sure aren't getting that cert with a Squier. I bet there are guitar builds form lots of necks & bodies that are mismatched at the factory out there as well. With the Squier guitars FSR is probably more a matter of plant/facility idle production lines, maybe one factory fell behind in Indonesia and resources were scrambled to cover schedule & production runs, but now one is marked as an IC vs ICS vs Chinese prefix ?
     
  9. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    Even buying a Gibson with a set neck doesn't completely rule out a neck swap. :p
     
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    Fender also used the same body for the 56/59 series, so in theory they could swap a 56 Maple for a 59 Rosewood and not be in the wrong. In my case the pickguard screws tell the story, as it’s the short lived 10 hole 59 version. 594F4526-996A-4FE6-82A0-116A1FDA47B9.jpeg 5396A89D-7688-41BD-950A-F8BD09A905A4.jpeg
     
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    Store would be voiding warranty in a new guitar if switching parts. This sounds like some internet BS.
    Highly doubt this happens these days.

    Guitar center sold me a used partscaster years back. I ran serial after I bought it. I demanded a partial refund and was given one.
     
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    guitarchaeologist El Salado Guitartist Silver Member

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    That is partially true. Remember, the 59 AVs came in two versions: maple neck and RW neck. The maple neck versions has the same cavity cutout as the 56 AVs (8-hole pickguard), as well as the same model number on the bodies, but I believe the RW version had different cavity cutout to accommodate the extra pickguard screw holes (10-hole pickguards).

    Also, starting in 2012, the AV series had a body number (on that shown sticker in the cavity & stamped in the neck pocket), while the necks also had model numbers stamped on them, making all those parts very easy to ID.
     
  13. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    Not at all. It happened regularly here, the importers did it, the shops did it. The guarantee here comes the the shop, not the manufacturer, so they were honoured. Pre internet there was no way for us to run the serial number.
     
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    True and the 59 maple 8 hole was always a burst. The tag here says 56/59 Black. It would be nice to see if the cavity cutouts are different, 8 vs 10 hole.
     
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    Yah maybe back in the day I could see that, fenders serial data base only goes back to 93.
     
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    guitarchaeologist El Salado Guitartist Silver Member

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    I looked back at some records I have and it appears I may have been mistaken... there must not be less cavity space for the RW neck models.
    56, 59, & 59 maple all have the same body codes 93573 (and 95371 for sunburst), but each has a unique neck code.
     
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    This thread makes me glad I just play the things instead of becoming a Fender CSI.
     
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    Fender CSI, hey good idea. Maybe have a section on here called that. All the guys with their GC switcharoo guitars.

    I don’t think anyone here would drop down $1999 for new “custom” American deluxe. Custom being you wanted a rosewood neck instead of maple. They had no stock so the salesperson made one up for you. I highly doubt any of you would buy it.

    This would never ever happen today. If it did I wouldn’t be buying for that shady store.
     
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    Well, I’ve no evidence for it happening today but, as per Mr Bit, I’m sure it has in the past. If you took the instrument back to the shop on a guarantee claim (which in the UK you must), they would easily be able to claim on Fender if needs be.
     
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  20. Mr Dunlop

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    It does sound like some shady business IMO. I know plenty of guys who were buying guitars pre internet and this is the first I have heard of this.

    I have no shame in being a Fender CSI. It would take alot to get a fake or partscaster past my knowledge undetected. If you like used guitars I would think the more knowledge the better.
    I like knowing I am getting what I paid for
     
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