How would you 'count' (and pick) the rhythm part to 'Draggin' the Line'?

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  1. thxphotog

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    With my novice ear it sounds like a 123 - 123 - 123 - 123, but wouldn't that call for a down/up/down and repeat picking pattern, which seems too difficult at that 16th note pace?

    Is it just alternate picking with an up/down pattern and if so, that's where I have trouble keeping time when vocals come in so I need a proper count to focus on.

    Any help appreciated.

    Comes it at 11 seconds:

     
  2. montemerrick

    montemerrick no earthly reason why

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    you mean the little do do do do.. i think i'd count that as 1 and a 2.

    great song btw! loved that since i was 9 years old.
     
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  3. Miotch

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    It's 4/4 time.

    I naturally count it 1 2 3 4
    I can count it 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and, but I naturally just count this one 1 2 3 4
     
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    No help on the flat-picking since I'm a fingerpicker, but I'm curious about the version. Is this a recent remix? I don't remember horn parts being that conspicuous, especially the trombone periodically honking in the left speaker, which to me sounds really odd.

    I always thought this was a really good example of a "3-chord" song that manages to sound great with only two chords.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Funny, I don't know if this is a recent mix or not. Shamefully I'm not that familiar with the song but that should be easy to check.
     
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    I listened to a couple of different versions on-line and now I can't tell any more. Maybe I just never heard the song through decent speakers before!
     
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    One-ee-and Two-ee-and three-ee-and Four-ee-and, is the way they taught this stuff back in middle school band. I'd do it as simple up-down picking.
     
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    The piece is played with a triplet feel. The lead in is a triplet and I think the bass is playing a triplet figure where the first two notes are tied, giving it a pulse that can indeed be counted as 123-123-123-123. (per @dirocyn, One-ee-and, etc., is the typical triplet count). The tune is still in 4/4.
     
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  10. stratobiker

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    1 2 3 triplet....
    Or
    1 2 3 tri ple et
    Or
    1 2 3 blueberry

    that’s how I’d count it if i was trying to play it.
     
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    All perfect options! Thanks much!
     
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    The triplets are very conspicuous at the beginning of the song on a dirty guitar IINM, and I think that is the original mix of that song, from what I listened to.
     
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    The guitar part you're trying to nail is often annotated as 12/8 (think Blueberry Hill or Hold the Line, or a million blues shuffles).
    Or sometimes it's annotated as 4/4 with a triplet feel.

    But as you say it's simply a steady 123-123-123-123.

    Four options for picking it
    - all down strokes
    - down/up/down - down/up/down - down/up/down - down/up/down
    - down/up/down - up/down/up - down/up/down - up/down/up (i.e. alternating, starting on the down stroke)
    - up/down/up - down/up/down - up/down/up - down/up/down (i.e. alternating, starting on the up stroke)

    It's just a matter of using the option that works for you -- the one you can play most steadily and with the best feel.

    For me that's option 4 - alternate picking starting on the up stroke. I don't know why, it's just easier for me to maintain the grove that way.

    If the vocals are putting you off, just keep practicing until it's ingrained.
     
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    here's tommy james playing... seems to be using down strokes. (bonus crystal blue persuasion)

     
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    I think all down strokes is ideal but sadly my wrists can only keep it going at that place for about 20 seconds! Sometimes you gotta work within your own limitations. Something I have to do a lot!
     
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    I tend to think of this as 12/8, alternating down/up/down and up/down/up
     
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    I was taught early on that economy of movement is a good thing when it comes to picking. If I was going to do all down strokes on that my right arm would look like Popeye’s.
     
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    I was gonna say something, but 3bolt already nailed the correct answer.
     
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    1 and-a 2 and-a 3 and-a 4 and-a.

    Great song. Just the I and the bVII.

    12/8.

    Just good old Rock'n'Roll.
     
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    The late, great Fats Domino had a lot to do with introducing those triplets to popular music; a LOT. His biography Blue Monday is a great read.