I think I want to buy this 60's junk - talk me out of it. Or into it.

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  1. henderman

    henderman Dr. Stratster

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    are you crazy or stupid?

    (that is my talk people out of it question, nothing personal...)
     
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  2. Blackmore Fan

    Blackmore Fan Senior Stratmaster

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    I think for the money you could find a far more entertaining project with a higher upside.
     
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  3. Archtops

    Archtops Strat-Talker

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    For the same price, you could buy a Gretsch Jet Club and have a serious guitar.
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  4. guitarchaeologist

    guitarchaeologist Dr. J Silver Member

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    Lotus was def active in the mid-80s. My GF bought a brand new Lotus bass around 1986 or 87.
    @hornpiper mentioned above that the neck was likely swapped. I tend to agree.
    @StratUp I'd say it's a 60s or early 70s Teisco with a (likely 80s) Lotus neck.
     
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  5. Neil.C

    Neil.C Most Honored Senior Member

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    No, no, no.

    I can see the allure of old guitars but Teiscos were always junk.

    You could buy a really decent guitar for that money.
     
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    HighwayStar106 Senior Stratmaster

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    If I was offered it for free, I'd consider it. Otherwise, no.
     
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  7. Jimi Lightning

    Jimi Lightning Most Honored Senior Member

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    Great info. That was what the net said and thats always Questionable.
    The concurrence is that it the wrong neck. I agree that the body is most likely 60s/70s MIJ but not necessarily Teisco. The whole ascetic and the missing tremolo location indicates that as well.
    There where a large number of manufacturers. The pickups design seems to match Teisco and or Kawai. That headstock design also matches a couple of MIJ manufactures headstocks. Its the LOTUS label that is odd. I havent seen a LOTUS with that design. But then again I havent done a deep dive.
    The History of Japanese guitars book had some that where similar but 2 pickup models...
    YMMV
     
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  8. nutball73

    nutball73 Senior Stratmaster

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    If I was offered it, I'd charge someone for storage. Or disposal.
     
  9. guitarchaeologist

    guitarchaeologist Dr. J Silver Member

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    You're right, I shoudn't have been so quick to call it a Teisco when there were SO many variations that were pretty similar.

    As for the logo and headstock... that's the logo I recall from the mid 80s- quick reverb search confirms...

    Lotus Headstock 1980s.jpg Lotus Headstock 1990s.jpg
     
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    Jimi Lightning Most Honored Senior Member

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    @guitarchaeologist Not the same headstock. The one in question has more of a drop down nose albeit it looks similiar and appears to be longer and slimmer.
     
  11. guitarchaeologist

    guitarchaeologist Dr. J Silver Member

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    Really? They look damned close to me. The alternative would be that someone faked the logo of a $200 guitar onto a headstock that is this close?
    I see nothing that can't be attributed to perhaps normal variance, a few years age difference, or even the angle of the camera.

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  12. Jimi Lightning

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    I agree that they look close but I see subtle differences particular in the head end. Manufacturing variances, camera angle etc...that makes sense.

    However note that MIJ guitars had very similar headstocks and most likely attributed to the design elements of that time period.

    As you seem to have taken offence I agree that it is most likely a LOTUS but no one has provided a complete LOTUS pic of that style neck in particular those bar type fret markers. BTW I cant find a “Teisco” one with that either...lol
    YMMV
     
  13. guitarchaeologist

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    No offense taken. I have dog in this fight... simply wanted to note that I recognized the logo and headstock as very similar to what I recalled from the 80s.Maybe try to help solve a mystery.
    I'm confident that if someone wanted to spend enough time searching they could likely find a match.
    Just curious, the fret markers I see are dots, not bar type. What am I missing?

    EDIT: Nevermind, I see the problem. The pix the OP supplied do not match the ad he provided. Are they two different guitars or what???

    Appears the guitar is clearly labeled as a Kingston in the ad.
    Quick search for Kingston Guitars turned up this discussion...
    https://www.harmonycentral.com/forums/topic/1167981-anyone-know-info-about-kingston-guitars/

    And it would appear that a 1966 Kingston S2T (two p'up model) had dots, while a 1967 S2T and a 1966 S4T had the same bar-style fretmarkers as those shown in the ad.
    All can be seen here...
    https://drowninginguitars.com/guitars/japanese-guitars/
     
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    Late to the party....but the guitar for sale is a partscaster with a Kingston body....

    Here is one that used to own:

    king_001.jpg king_002.jpg

    I remember when I had a bunch of those pieces of art work hanging on my walls, gotta admit, they look cool.....sold them as parts and made a killing....
     
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  15. Jimi Lightning

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    Awesome! Looks like thats what its supposed to look like. Correct neckneck Mystery solved?

    I came across these models but the there was no single coil one, I assumed there would be as usually there’s 1,2 and 3 pickup models. Body’s right, neck is right, wrong headstock shape for the ops post. It does have the tremolo etc... :)
    Its interesting when you read the book I have on the multiple designs and eventually the mix and matching of parts.
     
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  16. dirocyn

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    I think it's cool, it would be fun to build one of those into a player. But the price would have to be right. If it's over $50, pass.
     
  17. Jimi Lightning

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    They used to be inexpensive then for some weird reason the prices skyrocketed. Lately I see them starting to drop a little.Some folks figured they where made of gold ....lol That’s when I stopped buying them.

    Nope , just fun little units to play. Great for some dirty blues through a cheap amp!
     
  18. Slyy

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    I wouldn't even consider it for free.
     
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    crawdaddy Most Honored Senior Member

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    Probably not gonna happen then....back when I parted out my Kingstons, Teisco's, & Westone's....I sold the "Teisco" headstock badges for $50 each....

    Here is a couple of pics of of them before I dismantled them:

    CIMG0550.JPG CIMG0539.JPG

    probably got between $300 to $400 for each guitar parted out when all I could get was about $100 maybe $125 if I sold them as whole pieces....
     
  20. Jimi Lightning

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    That would be my favorite Teisco...the Tulip. Ive been looking for a 2 and a 3 pickup one to go with my 1 pickup model.
    Hard to find in good shape at a decent price. You must be basing your price on years ago as I picked mine up at around $200. I must admit that I flinch when I see them parted out but understand why. :)