I Think I'm Done With Fender

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  1. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985 Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I've been thinking about it recently, and while I love Fender guitars, with the lowest priced MIM model at $700, and the upper end MIM's at the $1k mark, and all of the American made models well north of $1k, I just no longer see the value.

    I believe there are lower cost alternatives to the MIM products that are just as good, and Fender is no longer a viable alternative for many beginner players.

    I really feel like Fender is pricing themselves out of the market.
     
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    I’m a fender lover , but yes I think bumping the player series up to $700 is a little much. I guess beginners would go to a squier model , having said that Gibson’s pricing is highway robbery.
     
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    I kind of agree but I’ve played a lot of squires well under 1000$ that are great, obviously they aren’t as good as the more expensive ones but better value for your dollar. Imo squires where you go for the “player” end stuff Fender’s for pros and collectors.
     
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    Once I started buying used guitars it became basically impossible to pay new prices.
     
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    I have Squiers, and love them. I think Squier is still a good value.
     
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    The only problem is, when Fender raises the prices on new instruments, it drives up the prices in the used market as well. Have you seen the current prices on used MIM Standards? We would have thought them ludicrous just a few years ago.
     
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    Hi, @Ebidis -Buddy

    If I did a partsbuild out of Warmoth in stock neck, and MJT custom aged nitro body; could I keep the cost at around $875 ?

    MJT Custom Finishes is $475 with body from them.

    An in stock Warmoth neck might be around $200 ish ?



    What do you think @TSims1 -Buddy ?
     
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  8. Stratafied

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    I payed $850 for a 2011 American standard in excellent condition shipped, I felt it was a fair price for a great guitar and OHSC.
     
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    Doesn’t sound like it.
     
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    Let’s talk Edibis off the ledge.
     
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    I think it is possible. You can still get a basic Strat neck from Warmoth for around $150, and you still have money left for hardware and pickups. Seems doable.
     
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    Not too long ago, you could get them every day for $600 used.
     
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    Everything is just getting more expensive. Across the board. Fender still makes a great guitar at a fair price. Which is more than some brands can say. :)
     
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    Wow , that would have been a bargain. But I guess it’s nice to see something appreciate in value. I’m not so sure it was a smart decision replacing the standard with the professional.
     
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    I still love Fenders. I only have one these days; my Baja Tele, which is an incredibly good guitar by any measure, and I don't see myself ever parting with it.

    I just think that these days, with prices being what they are, If I was in the market for a new Strat, I would just order parts from Warmoth and roll my own.
     
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    Partscasters are the way to go.
     
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    Fender doesn't arbitrarily raise prices their costs( labor materials ,shipping) have gone up. I prefer to buy a guitar knowing the employee making it is earning a decent living wage. I am far from certain that is happening with Asian made instruments
     
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    Now I think about it, the only new Fender I have ever owned was a Jazz Bass in about 1972. I'm genuinely astonished to hear what the new prices are today, especially in these troubled times.

    Logically, I think we should separate out two different issues. 1) Do we like playing Fender guitars? 2) Do we think the new guitars represent fair value for money?

    Most of us wouldn't be on this forum if we didn't answer Yes to Question 1. Question 2 is trickier to answer, because there are so many guitars that appear to be of equivalent quality, at a lower price. Very often I read something like: "Now I've installed a set of Seymour Duncan Tasty Tones, replaced the pots with... installed a Callum bridge..."

    Right now, I'd say the question is: Would you buy a new Fender?

    Personally: No. But I have no reason to buy a guitar.

    The only problem I have with parts casters, or customised Squiers etc is resale value. If it's a keeper, there's a fair chance you've got a better guitar than you'd have paid for from a major brand. If you decide to sell it, you're probably going to take a tumble. o_O
     
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    Hold on to what you have.

    Buy used.