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Identifying a custom shop strat

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by wallym, Apr 28, 2010.

  1. wallym

    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    I'm new to the forum and could use some help. I saw a fender stratocaster today in a pawn shop. It said custom shop on the back of the headstock. The serial number is CN400018 which I have deternined as being made in 1994The color is a coral or flesh (not pink) sparkle with a pearl white pickguard. How do I find out more about this guitar. It's in very good condition and the price is $1,100. I could make an offer if I knew more about what I was buying. Thanks stratsters.
     
  2. crawdaddy

    crawdaddy Most Honored Senior Member

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    I think "CN" are Korean made Squiers, at least according to the Fender web site. I won't venture as to a price as we would need to know more about the guitar.

    Good Luck

    PS: Welcome Home
     
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    mahler Strat-O-Master

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    CN(XXXXXX)
    VN(XXXXXX) Korean-made Fender/Squier guitars (dating unclear)

    I would say if your lucky this is a Korean strat with a custom shop neck, and even more likely, a fake (as in the custom shop logo was put on there).
    You can run it through fenders customer service to make sure.

    I wouldn't make an offer on the basis of it being CS strat, if you like it good make an offer, but don't offer that much!
     
  4. wallym

    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    Actually the CN means Custom nineties and the custom shop logo is on the back of the headstock. The guitar is not a Squier.
     
  5. wallym

    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    Thanks crawdaddy. I just checked with customer service and the CN in front of 6 numbers is a Korean Squier. Prior to coming to the forum I read that CN meant Custom 90's. One needs to keep looking.
     
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    profdlt Strat-Talker

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    Yet another scam with someone putting made in USA and custom shop decals on a Squier?
     
  7. stratman323

    stratman323 Dr. Stratster

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    CN serial numbers were used on Custom Shop guitars in the 90s - I had two (both now sold). These guitars were the predecessors of the current Time Machine range, which were introduced in 1999 & have serial numbers starting with R (I have a 1999 in Aztec Gold).

    Here's the 1996 model. Notice the earlier type of Custom Shop decal, this also changed some time around 1999:

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    Here is the 1994. This one came with it's certificate, so no real doubt about it being genuine. Not that I had any doubts anyway!

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    You are all correct to be cautious though, there are an alarming number of guitars that carry the Custom Shop decal on them, but are in fact cheap fakes. What a shame Fender does such a pathetic job of identifying it's own product.

    Mike
     
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    stratman323 Dr. Stratster

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    Does it come with the certificate?
     
  9. wallym

    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    Thanks stratman. I will need to check this guitar out more. Does a custom shop strat have any other numbers on the body or under the pickguard? I read that the CN designation meant custom shop "nineties and that the first number after that was the year. However, your 1996 CS guitar also has a 4 after the CN. Lots of confusing information out there. It looks pretty easy to make a fake if you have the right pieces.
     
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    Wideglide Senior Stratmaster

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    $1100 would be a good price for a CS. Even better if you can haggle them down some! :)
     
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    stratman323 Dr. Stratster

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    It's worryingly easy to fake any Strat or Tele, that's the nature of the design. The availability of CS certificates & neckplates on eBay helps the fakers even more, & I don't understand why Fender doesn't block those auctions.

    I don't have any internal pics of the 2 guitars above, but I remember that the red one had the CS stamp on the neck butt. Learn the difference between the older CS decal (above) and the newer one, & make sure that any guitar you look at has a decal appropriate to it's date of manufacture (which is on the neck butt).

    The newer Time Machine series (R serial numbers) tend to have RELIC stamped on the neck butt & on the body too, whether they are relic, Closet Classic or NOS models.

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  12. wallym

    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    It turns out that the guitar is a Custom Shop American Classic model number 010-4702 champagne color. It has 3 single coil texas specials and sounds great. Almost new condition. Check the thread "unknown custom shop strat" on the previous page. I have some pictures. Thanks for the input. There is a lot to know about this stuff and it helps to have all you guys out there. It's amazing how much info is available from the strat folks.
     
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    stratman323 Dr. Stratster

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    Ah, the Custom Classics - they are the ones with the modern square tuners & a poly finish. I never saw the point of making a guitar as expensive as that & then finishing it in poly rather than nitro. On a guitar under £500 or so I expect poly - over £1000 & I expect nitro. But if you don't care about that (and many people don't) it doesn't matter.

    You going to buy it?
     
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    wallym Strat-Talk Member

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    I bought it for $950 without a case . It plays and sounds great. I knew it was a CS when I picked it up. The sound and feel of a great strat is there even unlugged. It has 3 texas special single coils and I like that sound. I'm playing it through a Peavey Classic 20 amp and it loves the pups also. The action and sound on this axe are perfect.
     

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    Giber Fendson Strat-Talk Member

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    Model Name: American Classic Stratocaster® (Nickel Hardware)

    Model Number: 010-4700-(Color#) and 010-4702-(Color#)

    Series: Custom Shop "Custom Classics" Series

    Body: Alder (Ash with (801) Finish)

    Neck: Lightly Figured Hard Rock Maple

    Fingerboard: Rosewood pn# (010-4700) or Maple pn# (010-4702), (9.5” Radius/241 mm)

    No. of Frets: 22

    Scale Length: 25.5” (648 mm)

    Width @ Nut: 1.6875” (43 mm)

    Hardware: Chrome

    Machine Heads: Fender American Standard (Cast/Sealed)

    Bridge: American Standard

    Pickguard: Tortoise Shell on (800) and (801),... White Pearloid on (803)

    Pickups: Set of 3 Texas SpecialTM Single Coils

    Pickup Switching: 5 Position Blade

    Controls: Master Volume, Tone (Neck), Tone (Mid)

    Colors: (800) 3-Color Sunburst with brown shell pickguard, Rosewood fretboard only,

    (801)* White Blonde with brown shell pickguard *add $150.00 (available in Maple or Rosewood fretboard),

    (803) 2-Color Sunburst with white shell pickguard, Maple fretboard only.

    (Catalyzed Urethane finish)

    Strings: Fender Super Bullet 3250L’s (.009 to .042) Nickel Plated Steel pn#073-3250-003

    Unique Features:

    Source: U.S. Fender Custom Shop

    Accessories: Black Tolex Case, Strap, Cable

    U.S. MSRP: $1,749.99

    Specs: Prices and Specifications Subject to Change Without Notice

    INTRODUCED: 1/1995

    DISCONTINUED: 7/1999

    DISCONTINUED COLORS: (805) Olympic White with brown shell pickguard, (1/98)

    (816) Champagne Sparkle with white shell pickguard, (6/97)

    (865) Black Haloflake with white shell pickguard, (6/97)

    (895) Starlite Blue with white shell pickguard, (6/97)

    COMMENTS:

    WRENCH SIZES: Truss Rod Wrench #023811 (1/8” Hex)

    Saddle Height Adjustment Wrench #018531 (.050 Hex)