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In Theory why do these mode examples work

Discussion in 'Tab & Music Forum' started by spyglass, Oct 20, 2017.

  1. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    I totally understand modes and what he is showing here,But what I don't get is how they work with an open E string with every chord in the key of A ? obviously I'm missing something here and can see this working with the same examples of chords in the key of E. I do understand the A major chord has an E note in it Which he states, but the others?

    In all reality with an E note attached to any triad chord played they are no longer a common Maj or minor triad but now have an extension and become an add chord of some kind with the E attached to it, Musically it sounds good to the ears but I am scratching head as to why.

     
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  2. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 1, 2009
    My house.
    I think it just happens to be a good drone tone.

    Obviously, if he did Ab major, the E drone would suck pretty bad.

    I tend not to overthink open string drony stuff. It either works or it doesnt.
     
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  3. mshivy

    mshivy Most Honored Senior Member

    Chords on A Major:

    AC# E

    BDF# - E is sus4

    C# E G#

    D F# A - E is add 2 or add 9

    E G# B

    F# A C# - E is Dom 7

    G# B D - E is the 6th, might be another technical name
     
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  4. nhsdpl

    nhsdpl Senior Stratmaster

    Apr 21, 2012
    West Australia
    I just got my guitar and played through that Ionian example and I don't think he is playing the E strings.


    Cheers.
     
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  5. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    Bingo. :D
     
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  6. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Listen at 4:32 def an E ringing, also Try playing each chord then against the open e string and tell me your not hearing beautiful chords.
     
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  7. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Thanks for listing the chords, I guess it just falls together correctly in the Key of A.
     

  8. heltershelton

    heltershelton ROCKIN FOREVER Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    the only modes in that video in the key of A were ionian....A maj, and aeolian....A min. (C maj).
    A dorian is in G maj
    A phrygian is in F maj
    and so on and so forth.
     
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  9. fezz parka

    fezz parka The Wiggler of Sticks Strat-Talk Supporter

    E major is dominant. The V.

    It'd be interesting to see if you drone a B in the key of E if you'd get the same results. Makes sense that it would.

    Edit :great catch Kelly. :)
     
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  10. nhsdpl

    nhsdpl Senior Stratmaster

    Apr 21, 2012
    West Australia

    I've gotta go to work now, but I will be playing around with those ideas in the days to come.

    I thought that was a cool vid and I'm sure it will add to my knowledge base.


    Cheers.
     

  11. Rastus

    Rastus Senior Stratmaster

    Jan 1, 2014
    Australia
    Great answer, but I digress....

    Try following Coltranes lead, by playing through, E, then, C, & then Ab, in this sequence, & you'll find that playing through Ab-Major scale over an E drone, is quite tranquil, & beautiful...These are my stepping-stones that I use to jump "out-side" whenever I want to....( The relationship is that the key centers are separated by a Major 3rd, aka, Giant Steps ).

    I agree that it either works or it doesn't with playing over the drony-stuff, but you "have to play through this" to discover your likes & dislikes, or taste...And this means you have to think about your approach before you dive-straight-in IMO, if you want to explore theory, your thoughts, & apply them together with experimentation.

    Experimentation is my driving force now-days, but the obvious way is to learn from the other folks before you & their tunes. You pull them apart, discover what's going on, & focus on the "things" that interested you most. And then practice, practice, practice.......
     

  12. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    I thought about that before I posted,But makes sense now you said it as the A open and the E string open make up a power chord which is neutral with no 3rd, which is safe against the other chords,Ummm I think.
     

  13. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Victoria TX
    I scanned around and I can't find where he is letting the E drone. I only heard A.

    But if he does, it will sound fine since it is the dominant like Fezz said.
     

  14. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    You don't hear the High E ringing out at 4:32.
     

  15. Electgumbo

    Electgumbo Most Honored Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2010
    Scott La.
    Great post... I'll refer back to it often. I've been working on harmonized scales for a few months now. I just started drilling the modes two days ago. Making little backing tracks to play over... but anyway thanks for the post ... Darn no Locrian ... that's my favorite!
     
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  16. heltershelton

    heltershelton ROCKIN FOREVER Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jun 5, 2013
    Not Florida
    A locrian is Bb major. so if you harmonize that, youve got it.
     

  17. spyglass

    spyglass Strat-O-Master

    514
    Feb 6, 2011
    Philadelphia
    I love Lydian as of lately, And taking the mixolydian scale raising the 4th to make Lydian dominant, Vamping over a 9th or dominant 7th chord playing a Minor pentatonic,Then major pentatonic,Mixolydian then breaking out the Lydian dominant,Many choices and much fun to be had.
     

  18. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Nitro-mancer Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sep 18, 2014
    Victoria TX
    I was looking for a different E.
     
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  19. Electgumbo

    Electgumbo Most Honored Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2010
    Scott La.
    @spyglass
    That's Greek to me ...:eek:
     

  20. Electgumbo

    Electgumbo Most Honored Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2010
    Scott La.
    @heltershelton
    Oh yeah dude! I got it. But they skipped it on the video. I would have liked to hear his take on it that's all.
     
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