Intonation help

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  1. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Strat-O-Master Silver Member

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    People here must be smarter than I.
    How did they answer a question with so little information?
    Is it the low E or high?
    The 6th or the 1st?
    "Top" doesn't really mean anything.
    When are you trying to get the E that's giving you a D?
    After tuning the open string?
    The harmonic?
    If it's the low E, it's much more likely than the high E to develop intonation problems due to age.
     
  2. bazinga70

    bazinga70 Strat-Talk Member

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    Ok,it’s the high E and yes after I’ve Open tuned it and I go to the 12th fret I’m getting a D on the tuner, I’m sorry if I haven’t been clear enough.
     
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    The e string playing a D means either you've mistaken the 10th fret for the 12th, or...you're way flat at the 12th fret, which means the vibrating length is too long. You want to loosen the saddle screw, which moves the saddle away from the bridge. And yes, like @Triple Jim said, your saddle is probably at least 1/4" out of position.
     
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    henderman Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    anything from the metal being fatigued, gunk on the strings or divots worn on the back side of the strings from the frets will make them wobble weird and inconsistent so they won't intonate.

    make sure new strings are stretched and i set my intonation with the guitar in the playing position also.
     
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  5. RobZ69

    RobZ69 Senior Stratmaster

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    If the note on the 12th fret is too low (flat), as in your case, the saddle needs to be moved forwards, closer to the nut. Not back towards the bridge.
     
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    I have two fender tuners. One works perfect every time and the other responds very slowly.
     
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    Stevn Strat-Talker

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    When you remove the strings, try to copy the position of the saddles from a similar bridge that’s intonated correctly, then do your intonation.
     
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    I get what your saying but I was going by the spec distance of 25.5 from the nut to the saddle, but if you think otherwise I’ll try it. thanks
     
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    Scale length is approximate--but I've always found it to be very close (like, within about 0.01" with the high e string). But you have to measure from the break point at the nut to the break point at the saddle--if you're measuring from the back of the nut you'll be off, or if you're measuring from the string retainer on a zero fret guitar you'll be off.
     
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    train Strat-Talk Member Silver Member

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    Memory que,, FLat saddle Forward.. two F s,
     
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    Yes I did measure from the break point at the nut to the break point at the saddle. Thanks
     
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    bazinga70 Strat-Talk Member

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    I just want to thank everyone for their suggestions and thoughts, I’ll put new strings on and try a different tuner, if that fails I’ll start playing air guitar so thank you everyone
     
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    I fix movie projectors so looking at another machine and then copying it helps me do better work. So maybe....
     
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    You can always take it to the luthier...
     
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    Replace the battery.
     
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  16. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Strat-O-Master Silver Member

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    Being all strings aren't the same length due to adjustable or angled saddles, scale length is measured by doubling the distance from the nut to the 12th fret.
     
  17. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Strat-O-Master Silver Member

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    Step away from the tuner.
    How does it SOUND?
    If you don't trust your ear to hear the octave, try comparing the 12th fret harmonic to the fretted note.
    Being that you'll be listening to your guitar with your ears and not your tuner, if you can get it to sound right to you, it will...wait for it...sound right to you ;)
     
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    CB91710 This is a Custom Title Gold Supporting Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    "Back"...toward the tail, will flatten the tone at the 12th fret.

    If you're at 12.75" from the nut to the 12th fret, and 12.75" from the 12th fret to the saddle, the laws of physics say that you can't be a full semitone out.
     
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  19. Lovnmesomestrat

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    Guys won’t the height of the pickup(s) enter into the equation also? I can’t really tell the height from the picture.

    LMSS
     
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    CB91710 This is a Custom Title Gold Supporting Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    They can make a difference.
    Most tend to run them too high.
     
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