Intonation Springs

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  1. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    I lower mine (especially the neck pickup) until flush with the pickguard, then just raise the treble side to achieve balance with the bass. Strat single coils have very strong magnetic pull, and can really mess with your intonation if they are too high.
     
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    In playing position right?

    Maybe you do need it moved after all....the spring cut....
     
  3. Percy

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    Does Fender have smaller springs?
     
  4. marshallb461

    marshallb461 Strat-Talker

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    How low until the pickup falls through?
     
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    only when it's well below the pickguard surface by a few mm....
     
  6. marshallb461

    marshallb461 Strat-Talker

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    I got it pretty close, the open note and the 12th fret octave sound pretty much the same on all the strings. I adjusted to truss rod about 1/8 of a turn because my relief was a little too high, which helped, also pickup height was adjusted on both of the single coil pickups. The intonation screw is still pretty tight, but at least I got it pretty close.
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    Did intonation change at all with the pickups nice and low now?
     
  8. marshallb461

    marshallb461 Strat-Talker

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    Yes, but my tuner isn't very accurate, so I just used my keen hearing to guesstimate. I can't send an audio file through hear to show you how close the open note is to the octave.
     
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    marshallb461 Strat-Talker

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    Thanks for all of your suggestions and just for fun here is me and my guitar.
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    Your pickups are NOT too high. The height even with the top of the adjustment screw heads or even a little higher won't cause any problems.
    Make sure your relief is at .010" or less and that the string action off the fretboard is not excessively high.

    Now to answer your original question:
    Back the intonation screw all the way out of the saddle. The spring then can be removed and cut. Then just run the screw back through the back of the bridge plate, through the spring and thread it back through the saddle.
    It's a common and simple move.

    S Mac
     
  12. busted-e-again

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    It's not even necessary to have a spring when it's that far back, the break angle of the string will hold the saddle in the front position. If you care about function over form, a little bit of surgical tubing as a spring, like was originally used as a pickup spring in Stratocasters, can replace the metal spring.

    The way to fix this is to increase the scale length, by drilling out the neck holes in the body so the neck can move around a bit, and then putting a flexible shim in the butt end of the neck pocket to make the neck effectively longer.
     
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    Will my saddle shoot out if I loosen it all the way?
     
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    No. Just unscrew it completely. The saddle will move forward as you unscrew. The spring will just be laying there. Remove the spring, cut it and put it back. Screw in the screw through the spring like it originally was and adjust the saddle normally with the adjustment screw, It's quite simple.

    S Mac
     
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    Leveling the pickups should be done by ear, make sure they sound the same level in position 1, 3 and 5. This might require a little bit of practice and ear training though
     
  17. MetalPedal

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    I've never been able to get all strings to be perfectly intonated. Doesn't affect the tone at all.
     
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    Yep - cut the spring. I recall one guitar I owned had virtually no spring on the low E string to allow it to move back to a reasonable intonation setting. And ALL my guitars are sharp on the low E string when I fret them. All professionally setup. Depends on the day, I sometimes tune the low E a bit flat if I need to have a barre chord in tune. If I'm doing open E chords, I tune it normal. It varies, but I've had this issue for decades and have managed to work around it.
     
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    Yep. I always have to tune both the low E and the G string just a little flat to get true sounding chords near the nut. Those two are the most sensitive to finger pressure and will play sharp when you finger them in that area.

    S Mac
     
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    So, I finally found the time to snip a coil or two off of the Low E intonation spring and I saw immediate results. The low E intonated perfectly on the first try! In fact all of the strings intonated on the first try! Image1504750395.969709.jpg
    I still have a bit of room left on the low E which is a good thing.
     
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