is there any real use for the second tone knob for the modern player?

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  1. Silverman

    Silverman Strat-Talker

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    Many companies that make S-types have done away with the extra tone knob. Is the second tone knob a vestige for fenders legacy ad=nd trademark, or does it have any practical use for most players in a modern context?
     
  2. 3bolt79

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    Sometimes the first tone knob is wired to the neck pup and the 2nd tone to the middle with the bridge pup not wired to the tone knob. Sometime the second tone knob is wired to the bridge pup.

    Very practical, especially for me with the neck pup I get a sweet, singing sound.

    Pick up a strat, and experiment. The switch was made for switching and the knobs were made for turning.
     
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    nickmsmith Dr. Stratster

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    Matter of opinion entirely. I am fine with one tone knob. Some use the bottom tone for the bridge pickup.

    I’ve rarely had use for one tone knob, much less two.
    The traditional Strat 2 tone knob setup is worthless to me. Neck and mid don’t really need it, and the bridge does, IMO. It’s the exact opposite of what I’d do with two tone knobs.
     
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  4. Chipss36

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    Thinking that modern is something always better, is just not thinking clearly.

    leo knew what he was doing, loading on 3 pickups with one tone is not the same as the way leo did this.

    one tone may not work for all 3 positions.

    so yes the second tone knob is valid for many reasons.

    and the pre cbs strats are in fact some of the best sounding strats ever made.

    and the 52 tele. And the 59 les Pual.
    And on and on,
    Modern ideas my be good and may not, only time will tell, and being modern, they have a long way to go to live up to the past!

    Now you clouds get off my lawn!!!
     
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  5. StratUp

    StratUp Senior Stratmaster

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    Should have a master vol, treble, and bass cut. Or three volumes. Something that makes logical sense.

    Having a master volume and one pickup with no tone control is illogical, captain.
     
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  6. CB91710

    CB91710 No GAS shortage here Double Platinum Supporting Member

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    It allows for a variety of tones available at the flick of a switch.
    The Les Paul and most other Gibsons use 2V/2T, which allows for three unique tones out of two pickups.
    Same for the Strat, particularly if your two tone pots are connected to the neck and bridge with no tone on the middle... 5 unique tones, but limited by the master volume.

    It just depends on your playing style and what you want/need.
    EVH only needed a volume pot.
     
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    I have one Strat with a knob dedicated to blending the neck pup in when the bridge pup is selected. So on that guitar there is one master tone. It works just fine without any issues.

    I have another Strat with the tone knobs assigned to the bridge and neck pups. The middle pup has no tone control. Also works just great.
     
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  8. Silverman

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    I always thought the LP setup made more sense. switching to a cranked bridge mid strum is aways neat. Almost like kicking in a pedal
     
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    Leo put it there and works for me, not something I’ve ever thought about.
     
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    But he also only wanted HIS tone. Most of us want lots of different tones.
     
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    Impulsive guppy Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    It's nice to have options for each pickup, when using the in-between positions.
     
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    Wylde Horses Strat-Talk Member

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    I’ve wired mine for master volume, master tone, and bridge/neck blender. I am usually sitting somewhere between 7 and 10 on the blender to brighten up the neck and round out the bridge, and roll off the tone to suit.
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    I wire the second tone knob to the bridge pickup, so I can dial back some of the highs if I need to. However, I do not want to dial back the neck pickup, so for me having a separate tone knob for each is very useful.
     
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    BluesGuitarMart Strat-Talk Member

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    All my Strats have a master tone and master volume, I have no need for two tone controls. My oldest Strat is a replica of Neal Schon's Lights Strat which only has one tone, so I had mine built the same. Since then I've opted for the same setup on all my guitars.
     
  15. Sparque

    Sparque Seriously-Stratified Silver Member

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    The less knobs the better.

    I'm a big fan of less is more.

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    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    Well, I like my Strats wired how nature intended, three pickups, three way switch, separate tone for neck and middle and no pot at all for the bridge.

    Modern player? Pfft...
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    When I was a lad we didn't 'ave fancy stuff like "tone knobs". We were lucky if we 'ad a pickguard.
     
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    jvin248 Most Honored Senior Member

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    I use the second tone knob as the Armstrong Blender mod control. SSS blends to series HSH. Then the Strat not only has the classic single coil tones but it can sub for a Les Paul and a hot Super Strat.



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    chas3rd Strat-Talker Gold Supporting Member Silver Member

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    …I wish they had a couple more knobs.
     
  20. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    We were lucky if we 'ad t'strings.
     
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