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Is This Ethical?

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Stratopat, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. Stratopat

    Stratopat Strat-Talk Member

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    So, I was at Guitar Center this evening and there was a guy playing a used Richie Kotzen tele. I asked him what he thought of the Chopper pup in the bridge because I have been thinking of getting one for one of my Teles. Long story short, one of the sales guys is appraising an American Standard Tele he wants to trade in for the Kotzen. Knowing how GC works, I casually tell him, whatever they offer, I'll beat it by 100.00. The sales guy comes back and offers him 500 for it. I walk out the door with an American Tele for 600.00. Worked out for everyone......except GC.
     
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  2. wildhawk

    wildhawk Most Honored Senior Member

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    Guess it depends what glasses you look through.

    If you were a business owner would you be happy?
     

  3. Ace38

    Ace38 Strat-Talker

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    Most places will usually show you the door for such behavior. But..did the guy buy the Kotzen?
     
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  4. Stratopat

    Stratopat Strat-Talk Member

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    Yeah, he bought it. It was a sweet guitar. We didn't do the deal right in the store. We actually went to the parking lot and did the exchange. As far as the salesman knows, he kept his trade and paid cash for the Kotzen.
     
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  5. Vindibona1

    Vindibona1 Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Hmmm.... Shades of gray. So...

    Perhaps the scenario not explained was that the OP had this discussion with the guy before he asked for the GC trade-in price. If that's the case, it wasn't unethical as they both were using GC to establish a base price. Now, the OP knew that GC was going to come in with a low-ball price, so the deck was stacked, so to speak.

    Now if the OP were just standing at the sales counter overhearing the conversation and then threw another $100 on top of GC's bid... Well, that's another story. But it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like the discussion ensued long before the GC quote. Yes?
     
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  6. Otisblove

    Otisblove Strat-O-Master

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    I don't have a problem with it.
     
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  7. Stratopat

    Stratopat Strat-Talk Member

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    Correct, my conversation with the seller took place before the GC salesperson had made an offer. I never discussed the deal in the presence of the salesperson. The seller had the opportunity to choose between the 2 offers.
     
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  8. jjudas

    jjudas Strat-O-Master

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    Sounds like a good "ethical" deal to me. Especially in the company of sharks at GC.
     
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  9. 93-Strat

    93-Strat Strat-Talker

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    Nothing unethical about how you did it. I've had people do the same thing with me.
     
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  10. Mr BC

    Mr BC Strat-Talker

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    Sounds totally fine. The guys getting the appraisal sounds like he was prepared to accept the GC appraisal, so to him another 100 is cherry. He should've done more digging on how GC determines appraisal amounts. That's moot, however, it was a win-win. As for GC, they are fully aware of what they are doing.
     
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  11. Mr BC

    Mr BC Strat-Talker

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    No, not at all. It's all just business right? I'd even mention the +$100 sweetener at the counter with the GC guy there. No one is obligated to do anything. The guy looking to get the Am tele appraised ought to have better known the worth of his guitar. Besides, GC sold their Kotzen guitar.... everybody's happy.
     
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  12. Chief101

    Chief101 Strat-O-Master

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    The business owner sold a guitar, didn't have his profit wrapped up in a trade hanging on the wall, and the customer left happy.

    Do you think the business owner was happy?
     
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  13. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    The issue here is that the deal was made inside GC with someone shopping at GC. By the standards being used here to define ethical, I could drive my car into the parking lot of GC with a bunch of guitars in the trunk and a bunch of cash in the glovebox then go prowl GC and listen in on the deals being made and make various offers to the customers.

    Would that still be considered ethical?

    D
     

  14. Jason D

    Jason D Senior Stratmaster

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    Only thing that would make this unethical, in my view, would be if the OP actually worked for GC. Otherwise, I have no problem with this.
     
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  15. Stratopat

    Stratopat Strat-Talk Member

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    That's the question isn't it? I didn't go into the store looking for a tele. It was only after conversing with the buyer and finding out he was trading a guitar that the idea came about. I don't even need another tele, the only reason I made the offer was because 1) I knew they would give him less than what it's worth and I could help him out and 2) I could get a guitar I could either keep or flip for a little cash. I have to admit, it felt a little dirty. I do feel better about the fact that the seller and I had been in conversation for about 5 minutes before the trade came up, I wasn't trolling for deals.
     

  16. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Sure. I posted not because I am interested in judging your behavior, I posted just to point out some possible flaws in how we view these things. It's never really as simple as people want it to be.

    D
     
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  17. ProSonicLive

    ProSonicLive Senior Stratmaster

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    I don't know about ethical. It is not Unethical. You offered a better price in a competitive market. GC had the option to beat your price. They do not give a very good price for used gear; It may be better than the 1/3 value that a pawn shop would offer, but it is still not often a good price.
     

  18. larscaster

    larscaster Strat-O-Master

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    Not unethical.
    It's a business deal.
    Mrs Larscaster and I were trading in our phones at Verizon for $40 each and a guy in line offered us $50 each.
    The Verizon rep just asked us to do the deal outside.
     
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  19. Stratopat

    Stratopat Strat-Talk Member

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    Completely as I took it, and agree. I want to feel that what I did was ok, but there's part of me that feels it was a little snakey, or at least opportunistic. There is that idea that , "If I can get enough people to tell me it's ok, then it must be ok". As you point out, what is the true underlying motive here. The reality is that I took advantage of a situation. I can sugar coat it and make justifications, but that is the reality. So the real question is, is it ok to take advantage of a situation? Again, as you point out, it's not a simple yes or no question. The force is strong with this one. You may proceed to level 3.
     

  20. Chief101

    Chief101 Strat-O-Master

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    You did GC a favor. Reduced their capital tied up in inventory and helped them make a profit via the sale of a product in inventory. They'd rather sell outright than trade any day.