jazz pickup replacement for Epiphone Dot???

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  1. guitarvegas

    guitarvegas Senior Stratmaster

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    Hey,

    I have an Epi Dot, which I love and have flatwounds on it. Plays awesome and feels great. However, the humbuckers that are in it are a little too hot for my taste, a little too much growl, and not enough of that warm, sweet, clear tone you get from a true jazz pickup or jazz hollowbody. What can I do to make this thing sound much more like a true jazz hollowbody? Any pickup suggestions that would get me as close as possible without having the need to buy another instrument? What do you jazz guys know....share your knowledge with me please!!!

    Thank you.
     
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    alnico5 staple neck. Pity you're routed for buckers... otherwise charlie christian...

    buckers can be hard.
    suggest you look at seymour duncan site.
     
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    of this world Senior Stratmaster

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    57 classics are standard in a gibson L-5... you dont get more jazz than that.
     
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    guitarvegas Senior Stratmaster

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    That is what I have. Maybe it is the fact that it is not true hollow body as to why I am not satisfied with the tone. If no solution, I will just record jazz stuff with my Loar hollow body with the P-90. That guitar is gold for jazz. But I wanted a second option. Still searching for answers if somebody has one!
     
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    these or something like them might be the beasts youre looking for - the low wind, PAF style version

    https://www.lollarguitars.com/lollar-humbucker-pickups/lollar-imperial-humbucker

    i tend to think of guitars as hollow or solid... its hard for me to understand how the hollow parts of a semi-hollow contribute much to the tone, since the neck, bridge and pickups don't get involved there...

    of course lowering the pickups might do the trick too... that's how i got my humbuckers (ibanez) under control...
     
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    StratUp Senior Stratmaster

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    Mini-humbuckers. You'll need adapters if you're already routed for full size.
     
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    Unless you've switched out your pickups, the Epi dot site says they're alnico humbuckers...which tells me squat really.
    Short of replacing what you have, which can be a chore, perhaps...
    Going up a string gauge...10's to 11's sort of thing. Or changing the cap values ...?

    Other than that, a straight PAF will fit nicely, which is what I've in a 175, and if anything...it's too thick such that I play it with wounds instead of flats.
     
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    Bladesg Funk Meister Silver Member

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    A4 Low Wind PAF type pickups from OX4 Pickups in the UK.
     
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    Antigua Senior Stratmaster

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    What amp(s) are you using?
     
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    Andrew Wasson Senior Stratmaster

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    I’d lower the pickup heights and see if that backs the heat off.
     
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    guitarvegas Senior Stratmaster

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    I direct in to my DAW. I am currently using Guitar Rig 5 jazz amp.
     
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    nigelr Senior Stratmaster

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    The Eastman T386 has some Kent Armstrong pickups in it, which a lot of people like. The guitar is basically a ES - 335 and has some good reviews on jazz forums.

    Don't remember which KA pickups, but Google is your friend....
     
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    Antigua Senior Stratmaster

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    This might sound silly but what about lowering the volume a touch on the guitar?
     
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    You guys have been terrific, thank you! I am going to begin by playing around with the pickup height adjustments and see what happens, might even mess with the individual pole pieces as well. And the volume and tone knobs to my desired tone. Maybe I can get there with these simple and affordable changes (free). Will let you know.
     
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    I have made some adjustments and I think I have improvements also. This is a "tone test" from today. A long noodle! My playing is not very good, and not really playing anything in particular (just following my heart I guess) but listening to the tonality. I did add drums for added musicality. See what you think of the tone I am getting now. Like it? Hate it? Opinions matter.

     
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    albala Most Honored Senior Member

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    Tonewise it sounds fine
     
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    I know, when I noodle I can get pretty far out there! Ha ha.
     
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    It sounds OK, I don't think new pickups will accomplish anything an EQ pedal or preset can't. People use a lot of flowery language to describe pickups, but the differences all come down to their EQ disposition, which results from the fact of their being high impedance.
     
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    I'd try different wiring schemes before replacing a pickup. Fifties wiring is a simple mod. Adding a treble bleed is easy, too.

    If you want to avoid the wiring option, a P90 in a humbucker shell is an interesting option. I mention this because I have a P94 equipped dot-like object myself. It's very versatile. The Gibsons have great clarity!

    There are very inexpensive import options with similar features. The open top cover affects capacitance, it's not cosmetic. A ceramic magnet might have an advantage, here? I've seen these for about twenty bucks each recently.
     
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