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Kluson Tuners

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by dueducs, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    I just replaced the tuners on my '59 tribute with single line Kluson re-pops. Right out of the box I noticed the the heads were beefier: shaped slightly thicker, with sharper edges than the AVRI tuners I had on there previously. It's tough to see, but the difference is tangible.
    Just curious, are these Kluson re-pops true(r) to the original pre-CBS tuners in this sense? I haven't played a pre-CBS model in years and do not have anyone local that owns one for comparison.





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  2. AcrylicSuperman

    AcrylicSuperman Strat-Talk Member

    87
    Feb 8, 2011
    Toutle, WA
    Nope. There are many differences between the originals and the repros.
     

  3. Guitar0621

    Guitar0621 Strat-Talk Member

    67
    May 24, 2017
    USA
    Are they Kluson Klusons? The Fender ones are made by Gotoh. There's also a German company called Goldo Musik that owns the rights to the Kluson name in Europe and has Gotoh make tuners with the Kluson name on them.
     
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  4. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    Good question...They are made in Korea for WD Music (the package says they own the registered trademarks) and purchased from a company in the U.S.- not sure that helps clarify anything.
    Here is the packaging...

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  5. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    These re-pops look decent on the exterior (when compared to pictures so take that with a grain of salt), but of course do not have the numbers stamped on the interior surface.
    What are some of the other big differences?
     

  6. Mr Peabody

    Mr Peabody Strat-Talker

    224
    Oct 11, 2016
    The Deep South
    Ahh, now I'm just f###### confused...
     
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  7. Guitar0621

    Guitar0621 Strat-Talk Member

    67
    May 24, 2017
    USA
    Yah that's what I'd call Kluson Klusons. If your other ones were stock fender they were made by Gotoh Japan.
     
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  8. BlkStrt

    BlkStrt Strat-Talker

    232
    Nov 25, 2015
    Central Canada
    the originals have brass string posts. the repros are steel.
     
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  9. AcrylicSuperman

    AcrylicSuperman Strat-Talk Member

    87
    Feb 8, 2011
    Toutle, WA
    The shells are taller and more squared, where the originals are smaller anf more rounded. The gear ratio of the originals were 12:1 and I think (though don't quote me) are 14:1 or 15:1. The string post on originals are brass, repros are steel.

    There are many differences, but those are the big ones.
     
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  10. AcrylicSuperman

    AcrylicSuperman Strat-Talk Member

    87
    Feb 8, 2011
    Toutle, WA
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    Also, check this out.

    http://guitarhq.com/fenddiff/makehtml.php?file=repro_tuners.jpg
     
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  11. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster


  12. AcrylicSuperman

    AcrylicSuperman Strat-Talk Member

    87
    Feb 8, 2011
    Toutle, WA
    Take a good hard look at the bottom pic. The buttons are thicker on the repro. Not by a lot but by enough.

    My only experience with vintage klusons are a set from 1949. They had clay buttons that have crumbled over time, but as I remember them, they were very thin, and you can see that same effect in that bottom left picture. The clay buttons were the same as those metal buttons.

    The shape of the repro buttons seem the same in terms of shape and likely width. They are just a bit thicker.

    Also the AVRI are Gotoh. Not WD Kluson.
     
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  13. Guitar0621

    Guitar0621 Strat-Talk Member

    67
    May 24, 2017
    USA
    Old thread but I only discovered these recently. Japanese/made by Gotoh-- brass posts, washer and gear. Look nice but price is nuts. They've been around a couple years but I can't find a single Google hit in English with people talking about them. Too bad, I guess, that there's no "Kluson" stamped on them.

    http://www.guitarslingerproducts.co...eets-True-Historic-Demands-fits-to-Strat.html
     
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  14. BryMelvin

    BryMelvin Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    65
    831
    Feb 13, 2014
    AZ
    Kluson doesn't exist anymore. Various companies make "kluson" tuners under different licensing arrangements. WD music owns then brand name.

    AFAIK WD music is an importer and doesn't manufacturer anything themselves.
     
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  15. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Strat-Talk Supporter

    Nov 19, 2014
    Comfy Chair
    In my experience Japanese Gotohs (Fender branded or not) are far better than the new Kluson branded repros.

    Probably better than original Klusons actually.
     
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  16. Guitar0621

    Guitar0621 Strat-Talk Member

    67
    May 24, 2017
    USA
    "Kluson" tuners by WD are made by Ping in Korea, I believe:

    http://www.kluson.com/


    These four are Gotoh Japan made:

    No stamp/blank back

    https://g-gotoh.com/international/product/sd91.html


    Goldo Musik Germany with "Kluson" stamp but actually made by Gotoh-- as I understand it

    http://www.goeldo.de/tuners/kluson-vintage/1548/kluson-vintage-deluxe


    Montreux Japan "Vintage Correct" (brass guts and accurate post) made by Gotoh, no stamp

    http://www.aceguitarparts.aceguitars.com.au/clonetuners.html


    Fender Klusons with "Fender" stamp by Gotoh

    https://reverb.com/item/5670205-fen...merican-vintage-reissue-jazzmaster-strat-tele



    Then there are the TonePros stamped Klusons no longer made but still some out there:

    http://www.stewmac.com/Closeouts/To..._Singleline_Design_and_Pressfit_Bushings.html


    Of course none of them, stamped or not, are perfect. None of the stamped/branded ones have the "Kluson Deluxe" on the back in the exact same spot as the real deal vintage ones-- the single-line ones, anyway.

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  17. rolandson

    rolandson Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 13, 2015
    Cascadia
    Can't say re: AVRI, but the WD/Kluson buttons are indeed larger than those on a 64.
     
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  18. dueducs

    dueducs Senior Stratmaster

    That hasn't quite been my experience. I (presumably) have the Gotohs on my '88 AVRI and they are perfect, but the Gotohs on my '59 tribute had to be tuned daily, while the new Klusons (WD versions) have been remarkably stable in terms of tuning.
    Personally, I love them.
     

  19. rolandson

    rolandson Senior Stratmaster

    Jul 13, 2015
    Cascadia
    The current Kluson's are, I think, on a par with the Gotoh's.
    In my experience the older Kluson's were (solely my opinion here) garbage. I don't know when Kluson decided to get their manufacturing in order, but the last two sets I've acquired (their "Supreme" version of the 'vintage' styled 6 in-line) have been excellent. Precise and quite stable. I believe that they've a slightly higher turning ratio than their older version and Gotohs, which I happen to like.

    Full disclosure, I have nothing against Gotoh's. They're an excellent tuning machine in their own right. Either will do what I want.
     
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