Les Paul Owners Your Advice Please

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  1. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Dr. Stratster

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    Ok, so last week I got a Les Paul studio. The stop bar was at such an angle that the strings were pressing into the back edge of the bridge and I raised the stop bar 2 and 1/2 turns on the bass side and 2 turns on the treble side. There is now just enough space to get a slip of paper between the back of the bridge and the strings.

    I just wanted to know if most of you will do this or if you run the stop bar at the lowest point and just let the strings contact the bridge? Here are some pics. E08F51D0-AF3F-4DFB-9820-2E38729C773E.jpeg 3BAA0F37-8B82-4562-91E7-BE6188C29D29.jpeg
     
  2. radd

    radd Strat-O-Master

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    Top wrap, problem solved. A nice plus, you get to deck your stop bar which some believe improves the tone and sustain.
     
  3. integra evan

    integra evan Senior Stratmaster

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    Keep the strings off the back of the bridge. Only let them hit the saddles.
     
  4. StratoMutt

    StratoMutt Senior Stratmaster

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    Top wrap and slam the tailpiece to the deck (screw down all the way). 42+ years with the top wrap.

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  5. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Dr. Stratster

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    ‘okay, I never thought about that. How would the angle be to the saddles. Do I really need to get as much angle as possible? Or no?
     
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    Doesn't that damage the plating on the Stop Tailpiece?
     
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  7. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Dr. Stratster

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    ‘how is the angle of the strings? Got a side shot? By the way, that is a bad ass custom!
     
  8. StratoMutt

    StratoMutt Senior Stratmaster

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    No. String tension will be relieved to some degree. Some say bends are easier, strings feel slinkier.

    I started top wrapping in the late 70s when a Guitar Player Magazine article said it would help with the common bridge collapse over the years. That I can attest to. True.

    I added a Faber locking bridge a few years back to make for more reliable in-tune stability. The '73 bridge had not collapsed, but was a bit shaky on its studs.
     
  9. StratoMutt

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    I can get you one tomorrow - how's that? :)

    Thanks! It has been with me a LONG time.
     
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  10. bobalu

    bobalu Strat-Talker Silver Member

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    From your photo's, you have it set properly - all strings clearing the edge of the bridge. I personally raise my stop bar higher than that to reduce tension on the bridge. It just feels more comfortable to me. I have seen pic's of a bent/collapsed bridge (ABR-1) from screwing the stop bar right down to the body - way too much tension! IME, it has no impact on tone or sustain whatsoever. Lot's of folklore and "Gibson factory did it this way" surrounding this topic, but I'm just sharing my own opinion and experience here. :) I've owned and played Gibson's since the mid 70's.
     
  11. StratoMutt

    StratoMutt Senior Stratmaster

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    Absolutely. Who cares? :)
     
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    CB91710 No GAS shortage here Double Platinum Supporting Member

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    Joe Bonamassa LP Custom... I ended up top-wrapping this one.

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    2020 SG Standard. Tried top-wrapping but it was too much and I started getting a sitar on the B string.
    Re-wrapped it normally and raised the tailstop.

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    2019 Les Paul Standard and 2019 Flying V. No need to mess with the tailstop.

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  13. albala

    albala Most Honored Senior Member

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    ^^^--------- does not top wrap. I tried it with 3 Gibsons and it never felt more comfortable or sounded better to me
     
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  14. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Dr. Stratster

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    Thanks! That would be super. But only if it’s not too big an ask. I may just try it myself when I change strings next. Your guitar is my dream LP. What year?
     
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  15. StratoMutt

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    The ToM sitar... been there, experienced that.

    I think there is a Stewmac video about slotting ToM saddles. From what I can gather, they are often over slotted from the factory.

    I discovered this with the Faber bridge. The saddles were pre-notched dead center and I added to the problem by deepening them a tiny bit with an old fine file I have.

    This was only an issue with the plain strings. Wound strings were OK. No matter how I messed with the slots, it just got incrementally worse until I found the video.

    I said f-it and got some new un-notched saddles. The Stewmac video suggested a few gentle taps with a plastic tipped hammer on an un-notched saddle was the way to go. Not healthy for the strings, but very effective.

    The sitar was gone and I was able to place the string center over the two pickup pole pieces more effectively as well.
     
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  16. StratoMutt

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    Not the least bit big. Happy to help.

    1973, or possibly an early '74. I'm going by the original pot dates (upper right).

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    Bar is decked. No contact on the bridge.
     

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  18. SoulSurfer

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    +1 What HE said. I do this with my LP DC as well.


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  19. DJGranite

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    I always figured they put those slots on the tailpiece mounting studs for a reason.
    I use them to raise the tailpiece until the strings clear the back of the bridge.
    What else could the slots be for?
     
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  20. Stratoman10

    Stratoman10 Dr. Stratster Silver Member

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    I've never really looked at mine. I know on my Trad they're close to touching the back of the bridge but they don't.

    My Std I'm not sure. I don't worry much about if everything is absolutely as low as it can go as long as the action feels right and nothing buzzes. Of course now I'm curious about how they actually sit but im not getting out of bed to look
     
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