Les Paul Owners Your Advice Please

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  1. rocknrollrich

    rocknrollrich Senior Stratmaster

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    Mine aren't cranked down tight, but they are pretty low on both my Gibsons.

    I was told (or read or heard) that if you have to jack the stop bar up really high to clear the bridge, the guitar has a shallow neck angle.
     
  2. joshtheguitarguy

    joshtheguitarguy Strat-Talk Member

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    A little. But you shouldn't play if you're worried about scratching a guitar.
     
  3. myredstrat

    myredstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    top wrap will remove the gold plating pretty quickly.
    just raise the tail piece a little bit, it will NOT kill sustain by doing that one bit! IMG_1927.JPG IMG_1929.JPG
    52 years not top wrapped
     
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    longboard blues Senior Stratmaster

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    oh damn, now my GAS for an LP is back. It absolutely has to be a white one. And left hand white ones for sensible money are as rare as rocking horse poop. Still - my house is on the market, auction in 3 weeks, if it goes for what i'm hoping it'll mean we can buy a big house in the country, be mortgage-free, and hopefully have some left over for assuaging my GAS.... fingers crossed!!
     
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  5. nadzab

    nadzab Play Don't Worry Silver Member

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    I have 3 Les Pauls and an SG, all Gibsons. After reading on the internet about the horrible things that would happen if the strings didn’t clear the back of the bridge, I wasted way too much time top-wrapping, messing with the height of the stop bar, experimenting with jamb nuts, etc.

    Then, a few months ago, I decided to see if I could actually hear or feel any difference if I just decked the stop bar and didn’t worry about whether any of the strings touched the back of the bridge. Surprisingly, but not surprisingly, I could not. One less thing to keep me up at night; YMMV.
     
  6. nadzab

    nadzab Play Don't Worry Silver Member

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    Not necessarily. The ABRs were/are narrower, so I think it was common so see full clearance on the older, highly sought-after LPs. The Nashville bridge is wider, allowing for more saddle travel, which means that strings that would have cleared an ABR may touch the bridge on a Nashville-equipped guitar with the same neck angle.
     
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  7. RL21980

    RL21980 Strat-O-Master

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    I top wrap and deck the stop bar on my Les Paul also. Gives the strings a slinkier feel. Minor nuance, but noticeable. Doesn’t work on all of them though.
     
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  8. radd

    radd Strat-O-Master

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    About 20 bucks for a high quality tail piece if a person decides to put their guitar back stock to sell, that is what I did.
     
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    radd Strat-O-Master

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    You can find out with 10 minutes of work and $6 for the new set of strings.
     
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    CB91710 No GAS shortage here Double Platinum Supporting Member

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    The SG actually runs TonePros... pre-slotted, but they are barely enough to hold the strings.
    If I played like I did when I was 15, I'd need deeper slots or I'd be knocking the bass strings off of the saddles.
     
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  11. Neil.C

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    It all depends on the angle of the neck.

    Gibson's can vary quite a lot and the bridge/stop bar set up will differ on different guitars.

    I wanted my stop bar down (it was quite high originally) and the strings missing the back of the bridge so I top wrapped.

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    Nice LP!
     
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    33db Senior Stratmaster

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    I always heard that the "correct" way to set it up was with the stop bar set high enough for the strings to clear the back edge of the bridge. And as already mentioned above, you'll need more height to clear a Nashville bridge than an ABR...

    My '78 was set up that way from the day I bought it in 1987 until very recently. I switched to the wrap around method maybe 3 string changes ago, just to see if I would like it. Some people say it makes a big difference to the way the strings feel due to the break angle... well I can't feel it. I've left it this way for now... no real preference yet. Maybe I'll switch back to the traditional method to avoid marking the chrome on the stop bar...

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    ido1957 Senior Stratmaster

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    I had my LPC set up by a tech who raised the tailpiece up from where it was from the factory. I thought it looked really high but it works (tension is fine). I'll try and take a pic...
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    Jimmy page, Billy Gibbons, Duane Allman, and Joe Walsh (to name just a few) top wrapped, so it's probably ok.
     
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    Why though?
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    Because they could?

    Some say it gives the guitar a looser, slinkier feel. I personally don't think there could be enough difference to make it noticeable.
     
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    That's the method I used with my last lightning bolt bar bridge. Give each string a solid tap with a hammer once they're all aligned properly.
     
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    Swingbass Senior Stratmaster

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    I prefer a gentle break angle. My blonde 1980 Deluxe that the previous owner had routed for a full sized bridge pup has been just like this for the 25 years I've owned it. It was setup by a luthier who had instruments sent to him from all over the world. This guitar never broke a string in the decades I gigged it until it got too heavy for my older shoulders. It would hold tune for a week or more. When I set up my recently new to me 2004 faded red Studio I added in a Nashville spec roller bridge that matches the neck radius and closely mimicked the break angle of the Deluxe. I figured if it worked for all those years on the Deluxe, why not?

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