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Modeling Amps... Who really needs all those options?

Discussion in 'Amp Input - Normal or Bright' started by AxemanVR, Aug 23, 2020.

Does anyone really need ga-zillion tone options?

  1. Yes! Every tone on the planet pleeze!

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  2. I’m just happy my guitar sounds like a guitar!

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  1. Ebidis

    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    One thing I like about the Mustang amps is that they have a "basic amp" preset for each different amp model. No FX or garbage. Just the basic amp. So you can use those to build your own presets, or just use the basic amp model, and tweak the knobs like you would on a real amp. It makes it pretty simple.
     
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  2. RadioFM74

    RadioFM74 Senior Stratmaster

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    Yup, that’s the way I also use my Mustang v. 2.0. It’s a great little practice amp!
     
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    The III has a full compliment of knobs. Had I realized how big a deal that is would have gotten a III.
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    Yeah, it does make a big difference, because you don't need to use the Fuse software. You can do anything that you can do in Fuse right on the front panel LCD screen.

    However, once I have a basic amp dialed in the way I like it, I usually never touch anything but the treble, mid, bass, gain, volume, and reverb knobs. Just like a real amp.
     
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    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster

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    Me too but I still know where I stashed that glorious Twin with the Crestline clean, the compression, and the bit of delay. Like a pipe organ it be....
     
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    Johnny Danger Senior Stratmaster

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    Wow, 8 pages. I'm going to go ahead and commit the cardinal sin of commenting without reading the whole thread. Sorry.

    It's individual. I am lucky enough to have found a singular tube amp that suits me and my style. I have a modest pedalboard with more options than I really ever use anyway.

    But I did own a Katana for a hot minute and it was a blast. I can see the appeal. I even wrote a lick inspired by a random fuzz octave setting that I plan on using in a song eventually.

    So to each their own.
     
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  7. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster

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    ...that is a big part of why I dig them. YOUR PLAYING AND WRITING CHANGES WHEN YOU RADICALLY CHANGE YOUR VOICE.
     
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    100% agree with this. When my father picked up a Rocktron Voodu Valve for himself, I started messing with it and my playing went from blues to Satriani / Vai style. Something about how the tones your hear invoke different ideas in your imagination.
     
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  9. Dadocaster

    Dadocaster Dr. Stratster

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    Yeah. There is for sure some thing going on there...
     
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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist

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    To be fair though. You don't have to have a gazillion options to have a modeling amp. Look at Yamaha THR100 or the new Fender Tonemaster amps.
     
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    Yes to most of the comments that precede. I can see everyone’s point. My point was that when I moved from a modelling amp to a simple tube amp, I discovered what it is to have an amp that has its own voice… you can tweak it, adjust it, and it will change at different volume, but the thing has its own voice. And if you happen to love it, and make it the foundation of your sounds, it’s a wonderful thing. That’s what I meant. But I totally get the charm of having a little object capable in itself of giving you a broad palette of tones.
     
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    Bcorig Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    You’re describing the process of studying your equipment. Takes time and patience to explore.
     
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    Precisely.
     
  14. Dadocaster

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    I prefer the amp be me rather than I be the amp. :D
     
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    I’m playing in a church band, and we went “silent stage” some years ago. So, the options are something portable like a Helix (or better more recently, a Pod Go), or lugging around an amp and attenuator and pedalboard to get the sounds and effects I want/need for the range of songs we play. Do I prefer the sound of a real am? Yep. But the divide is WAY closer than it used to be. And do I want to lug an amp, pedal board and attenuator around on top of the guitars/cables etc. Also, some songs require acoustic, and I can cover that in a Helix, etc, without a bunch of additional boxes. Plug into the guitar switcher, then Helix (Pod Go) and main cable. Done.

    Do I need every preset? No. But, if I’m Line6 or Kemper or Fractal or Positive Grid any of the rest, I as a manufacturer need ALL of those sounds so I can cover everyone and sell to the broadest market. A million presets/amps/effects are not for a given player; they are there so EVERY player is covered.
     
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    The way I see it after reading all this,
    We are fortunate as guitarists to live in this digital age.
    Technology like this is relatively cheap, so why not embrace the options available and make it work for you.

    If one loves that Tube amp, all good.

    In my case, going to jams or friends, I really don't miss the weight burden of a beast of an amp and a pedal board and so many cables.
    I can take all my gear in a car boot ( trunk)


    I'm going to sound like me, whatever I play through , so taking one amp with everything I need is just fine by me, and no one listening to us cares what equipment we are using as long as we sound ok.
    If we don't sound ok, the last thing we can blame is the gear.

    Fwiw, I'm finding Boss and Blackstar really have it nailed in the modeling arena. I would buy a Helix in a heartbeat but I really can't justify the cost.

    I feel sorry for the drummers, they don't have these labour saving options.
     
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    I just really enjoy not having to spend more money as I tweak my tone.
    I also have no interest in gigging, so the ability to run my sound out of studio monitors at apartment level volumes is wonderful.

    I'm currently using Bias FX2 and I've been able to get some insanely good tones out of it. I recently demo'd the Cory Wong Neural Plugin and it somehow sounds even better.. It's insane for the cost, but I'm sticking with Bias for a while because it's entirely too easy to get caught up in that "holy grail" tone chase and neglect what actually matters. The guitar industry has a nasty way of selling someone else's "ideal" tone as the end-all-be-all. It took me along time to realize that It's rarely better.. it's just different.

    I do wish I had a little back porch 5-watt vintage tube amp for noodling in the evening though.
     
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    They do.
    ;)


    I have used the Drumjam app on iPad in the past. Hard to find a a drummer or percussionist who sounds that good. And I can MIDI sync it to my TC Looper, and sync delay times in the Kemper...
     
  19. joe_cpwe

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    Do I need to comment when what I would say mostly been said?

    It depends what you're doing with your music. At home for fun I really don't use many effects and prefer to just plug in and go. I can literally use the old transistor Park 25G I got for $50...it has a sorta crappy reverb, decent clean decent Marshall-esque distortion. Whatever.

    In my 'I play in a cover band' mindset...it's very different. I use a Vox Tonelab modeling pedalboard for amp/tone presets, reverb, delay, and a tuner. Modulation effects I mostly run outboard. I run that Vox into the front of a tube amp (and I bring two amps). I'd also say that the amp/cab options are good because you do need to find the sound you like and what I've settled on jazz, blues, an metal players probably wouldn't.

    I like the modeling pedalboard because its way cheaper and easier than individual pedals. I like the sound of it straight into an amp and plus I can still control my stage volume. If an amp dies, I do bring another along on stage. If the Vox died, I'd go straight into the 2 channel amp and get thru the night because on my pedal board along with the Vox Tonelab I have a TS-9 and a TC boost pedal. Not ideal, but serviceable.

    Like a lot of people have said, on the modeler I also only have a couple basic amp tones I use and then tweak/add effects as needed. My clean is based on a Fender Pro and dirty is Marshall JCM800. I use a couple other things for specific cases when needed.

    Bottom line is that for performing, live or recording, having some tonal options helpful. For personal playing having just a couple sounds, clean & dirty is all I need
     
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    IMG_4587.JPG Still after 20 years one of the best modelers but it does have a pair of 12AX7 tubes. I mostly use it on the Super Reverb setting. Built like a tank and weighs like one but great tone.
     
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