Need some opinions on Trade value for an '88 1962 AVRI strat

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  1. Guitarzan5150

    Guitarzan5150 Strat-Talk Member

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    A bit of backstory. I got my '07 PRS McCarty a little over a year ago, and it's a great guitar, as most PRS are. I since got a Les Paul standard and since then, my PRS is a little redundant and I reach for the Les Paul far more often. That led me to post the PRS to see what was out there to get something different, add a bit of variety. I've been through a bunch of lower end strats (the highest end one being an american standard.) and I have a hard time getting the tones I think I should get, or at least that I hear others get and really falling in love with a strat. I did manage to find a great Tele that I love, and i'm hanging on to that, but I would still love to add a strat to the arsenal.

    I've listed my McCarty and was mainly looking to just get an american standard strat + some cash (~$1000 CAD or so) and be done with it. I've gotten a ton of interest so far, but mostly stuff that's closer in value so no cash added, or not much. I've been offered a '91 Jeff Beck +500$ (which was tempting, but that guy wasn't local and I didn't want to deal with the shipping and all that) , '04 or '05 Eric Johnson strat (no cash added, so I'm out on that one), and then the two I've been considering the most. The one pictured was pitched to me as an '88 1962 AVRI. I'm not familiar enough with these, so that's the main reason I'm posting. If anyone can give me their opinions if they have any experience with these. Would a straight trade be worth it? The other I had been considering is a Nash S63 +300$. I've heard great things about the Nash and the lollars do sound good. No pics of that one, he just had a video of him playing it, and it sounded and looked pretty good. It was one of the lighter relic'd ones. Just want to seek people's opinions and check out the legitness of the '88 AVRI. What would you go for, and what would be a fair value. I'm not super concerned with collectible, although would want decent resale value if I decide not to keep whatever I get. I just want to get fair value and I'm not super desperate to get rid of the PRS. The last option is to just hang on to it.







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  2. TomH8

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    Shouldn’t a 62’ reissue have the full metal shield not just the little one under the pots? Not 100% sure.

    Either way if all original with original case I would say it’s worth $1200 in the USA on a good day
     
  3. Guitarzan5150

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    That's the other issue, he said they lost the case in a flood. The guitar itself was upstairs, so comes with a new case (same one the elites come with now) It seems like people over value their guitars a lot as well, and under-value a PRS. I know PRS don't always hold their value as well as a Fender or Gibson, but they're still top notch guitars that are crazy expensive brand new.

    I'm still looking into the Nash as well. I've heard they're fantastic guitars and the lollars are great, but re-sale is a bit of a concern there. It's hard to find any good info here. There aren't a heck of a lot of used ones kicking around here in Canada, so some people may have no idea what they even are and just think it's a partscaster. I was looking into trades thinking I may be able to find better value, but maybe I'm better just setting my price I'm comfortable with and then look for something else afterwards.
     
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    John Cruz neck stamp is pretty cool. Not sure it really adds value but, it does add some swagger to the guitar.

    I think almost any good AVRI is worth around $1200-$1300. You have to decide what dollar amount makes you comfortable with the trade. About overvalue and undervalue... People overvalue their guitar and undervalue your guitar in a trade. Doesn't matter who made it. One hiccup with the PRS buyer is they want VERY CLEAN guitars with no wear. Yours does look clean.

    What's that saying? A good compromise is where both parties are dissatisfied.
     
  5. guitarchaeologist

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    The 1988 '62 should have a full aluminum shield, so that's been changed. Everything else looks good. It would be nice to see the p'ups without covers since the guard has been changed.
    I think valuing that at $1200 is pretty low. Rarely will you find one listed for less than $2K these days. Sale prices are likely a little less than asking prices, but I doubt $800 less.
    Ask about the guard and see what the story is. If that's all that's been changed, I think $1800 is a more appropriate value for that guitar... and the Cruz stamp helps a little.
     
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    I paid under $1k for a 91 on ebay last year. Granted it didn't have original electronics and had significant wear, both of which appealed to me personally. I took a look at Reverb and after you wade through the MIJ 62's there are a few AVRI 62's around $1500 one for $1300. IDK, maybe since Fender replaced the AV line the AO line asking prices are up. Not sure what people are actually paying though. I wouldn't pay over $1300 for a 62 reissue myself.

    Nice guitar! Different era though.
    https://reverb.com/item/30355499-fe...n-2005-ice-blue-metallic-w-matching-headstock
     
  7. Guitarzan5150

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    I'm a little concerned about the no original case and paperwork. I've emailed Fender to see if I can get a bit of help to verify the info I've received as well.

    I've reached out to the seller about the pickguard, I'll see what he has to say about that. I'm strongly considering it. Although the gap between a new AVRI and a new PRS McCarty is pretty big, I think maybe for future value the AVRI may go up, not so sure about the PRS. As mentioned, the John Cruz stamp is cool, although not sure if it adds anything. From what I read on one posters listing on reverb was that before the custom shop was opened, and before he was a master builder, he worked as a specialist in building necks. Not sure how much of that is true, but it seems interesting.
     
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    I just bought a pretty identical 2007 McCarty just last week, local to me in Québec City. Paid 1950$, which I found to be very little money for such a great instrument. Bought it as a gigging guitar so I could leave my R8 at home. I'm very pleased but find the coil-split very underwhelming.

    I had been looking all around Canada and asking price is usually around 2200-2400$ so I figure I paid fair market value if this can help you set a price.


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  9. Guitarzan5150

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    Yeah, I got mine for even less, albeit ~ 2 years ago. I figured if I waited it out, I could get around ~2200$. I'm not desperate to move it, so I do have the luxury of being a little more picky about my price. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward the AVRI. McCarty's can be found relatively easily, Custom 22 and 24 even more so, which is what I may go for should I decide on another PRS in the future as at least it'll be something with a trem and give me a bit more variety vs. my Les Paul. Whereas, this guitar may be hard to come by again (at least at a fair price) I'm also thinking it may go up in value in 20-25 years more than a typical PRS. I'm just trying to figure out now if this guitar is legit. There's a couple things that don't sit right with me. The pickguard (which was brought up in this thread) and the no case, no tags.
     
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    Upon further research, I found this listing on reverb. Albeit a '57, not '62, but also a John Cruz neck and the pickguard only has the shielding on the controls. So maybe that was normal for a few guitars that year? It makes me feel a bit better about that at least.

    That being said, how much does OHSC make a difference in value? For personal use, I don't really care, I just don't want it to cost me shall I decide to sell one day.

    https://reverb.com/item/27483629-fender-stratocaster-1988-vintage-series-john-cruz
     
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    I feel like I'm talking to myself at this point, but thought I'd add some more info as I've been doing a ton of research on this guitar and I'm finding a lot of interesting info. The most accurate, or at least the one that makes the most sense, but still not confirmed info I can find is that in 1988 John Cruz would have been in quality control. It seems as though the name stamp on the neck could be that he had been the one to inspect the guitar. That's not been confirmed though, and seeing as he joined the custom shop in 1993, he must have built some guitars somewhere along the way before then. There's also some people with necks in the late 80s that had his initials, and they believe those ones may have been inspected by him, and the full name stamp may be his builds? If anyone is aware of this history and has better info, it would be welcome.

    At this point, I'm going to head out and try the guitar out tomorrow and if it speaks to me, I think I'll do the swap and stop worrying about fair value. If i do lose a little, it won't be much. I know reverb is not super reliable as what's listed isn't what it always sells for, and some of the stuff on there as been up for a while, but it seems like 1988 '62 AVRI (regardless of John Cruz history) go for slightly less, to considerably more than what a typical McCarty go for. This one may be on the lower end considering original case and tags are missing, but at the end of the day, if I can find a strat that works for me, that's all that should matter.
     
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    I wouldn't pay over a grand for a 1988 '62 RI. Step up to a 1998 and later model for something more historically accurate.
    Or better yet, step up to a 2012-2017 '59 RI for the ultimate reissue of that era.

    John Cruz name adds no value to any guitar afaic
     
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    Yeah that's what I thought. Those guys weren't "shapers" they were signing off on the neck.

    I mostly agree but in the interest of fun, I would argue the 2014 60th Anniversary 54 reissue is the ultimate reissue of that era.
     
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    If it were me, I’d keep that PRS. Look for a different AVRI or AV. No case. no candy. And if the guys house was flooded, what do you think that might have done to the humidity in the upstairs. That’s one trade that I wouldn’t make.
     
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    Avri strats are some a dozen, with no case etc I’d pass unless it was dirt cheap. In a trade for a mcarty I’d want that Strat and at least 1000 bucks...

    I’ve noticed a real trend for people to seriously overvalue fenders for sale - here in Nz anyway, they’re not selling though...
     
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    I have a couple 1988s. The pickguards did not have shielding taped to them, so I highly doubt this is original. Full shields were used with the 62s and small metal shields were used on the 57s. In my experience, the taped shielding is usually a decent sign on non-original parts. That being said, if that's the only change to a 32 years old guitar, that's not bad at all.
     
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    Alright, I think I've been talked off the ledge. He's not willing to budge with regards to price, no money added so I think that's a no go. While combing through my e-mails I did find some pics of the Nash, for some reason they didn't attach in the app, but did on the email notification.

    I know the relic thing is not for everyone. Personally, I can take it or leave it. This one would seem to be what he would call a light relic, which I suppose is better than the heavy relic ones. As long as it's a great guitar. The offer for the Nash is +300$, so that's more appealing. As for value, I'm having a really hard time determining that. There's a couple listed on reverb for 2k CAD, but they've been sitting there for a while. If I were to knock off the 300$, that's 1700$ CAD (~1300$ USD). In anyone's experience, is 1,300$ reasonable for this guitar? I know they can be had form retailers for 2k USD brand new, just having a hard time finding used market prices. Would it move fairly quickly at that price should I decide to flip it? Reverb doesn't have any history of that model's price that they were sold at, so I'm not sure what people are getting.

    The '07 has the fender decals on the headstock, not the Nash guitars decal. What's the story with the earlier Nash? Were these actual Strats that he's relic'd and re-sold, or is it basically a partscaster that he would slap a Fender decal on? If anyone has more knowledge or experience with these, and any value it holds it would be greatly appreciated.

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    I agree with you. the '54 RI is the ultimate of the the range of AV RIs and the '56 comes in a REALLY close second.
    What I meant by that era was what the '62 was trying to replicate. rosewood neck, alder body, 3 ply guard, etc. The '59 RI actually looks like a real early 60s Strat. The 1988 version of the '62 RI still was pretty far off.
     
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    If I were you, I'd put the PRS up for sale and wait it out, then buy something you really want. You said yourself you're not in a hurry. I usually have a similar attitude toward aging, but those "staple marks" all over the Nash would bother me. I've never seen natural wear like that.

    Just my two cents. I hope you're happy whichever way you end up going. Best of luck.
     
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    You are always in a better position with cash in hand. Sell the PRS for a fair price and buy from a place with a decent return policy. What will happen if you accept the trade and in a week discover there is something with the guitar you neglected to notice? It does happen you know.