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  1. GuitarPix

    GuitarPix Senior Stratmaster

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    So I don't really like posting when crappy stuff happens, I avoid doing that here a lot (although I know I've shared a few), but I hate that helpless feeling when something crappy happens to a loved one and there's nothing I can do.

    My girlfriend (of 10 years) just lost her job as a fire lookout because the upper management doesn't want her dog at the lookout.

    As background - it's a 5 to 6 month seasonal job, 7 days a week with no time off for the whole time she's there. There's solar power with a backup generator, propane for the heater and stove. Water, food and other supplies are flown up by helicopter every three weeks. The dog is a rescue dog of very mixed heritage and currently weighs in at 38 pounds - not huge, not tiny either.

    One of the people above her in the food chain (but not the direct supervisor) was up at the lookout when they were doing the food/water/supplies delivery and was walking around the cabin (17x17 feet she called home for the last four summers) on the deck - the dog was tied up away from the action because he tends to bark at strangers getting too close to the cabin.

    Normally the barking is a really good thing; she got 3000 to 5000 hikers stopping by every year - it is a "destination" hike that's only about 5 hours round trip and reasonably close to the city. She doesn't want people directly invading her privacy and there are personal safety concerns as well - it's bad enough they are in her 'back yard' as is. But, she's actually really good about greeting people and answering questions if she's not busy spotting fires.

    Anyways, the guy ignores the fact that the dog is being protective and walks right by him on the 3-foot wide deck. Dog nips at his pant leg. Guy throws a hissy fit and then makes a fuss with the people above him. They decide the dog can't stay because he 'might' attack one of the hikers visiting. There was a similar incident a couple of years ago with a hiker - but out of the 10,000 visitors that dog has met, no one has actually been bitten.

    She had a choice of keeping the job or keeping the dog.

    I happened to have hiked up for a three-day visit and the final decision about the dog came in the final day I was up there.

    So, she's now back in town and jobless.
     
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    Great
    Great job
    But

    Dog people are dog people.
    Not Dog people are Not Dog people..
    Kinda
    Kinda
    Kinda
    Them two ain't whirling in the same Universe..
    Mr. Sulu
    set a course for Petaluma...
    Ahead warp six...
     
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    Well that sucks!
     
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    Typical load of crap from someone who has too much power and no discretion. Sorry she lost her job.
     
  5. 3bolt79

    3bolt79 Senior Stratmaster

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    I am glad your friend chose to keep her dog. Dogs are family. Can she bring suit against the *******? Probably no even worth it. I am sure hat she can find a better means of supporting herself. I've had to walk away from my job a time or two because of bull****. Hearing this makes me angry.
     
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  6. GuitarPix

    GuitarPix Senior Stratmaster

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    She’s choosing to not pursue any actions that could burn bridges as she may get to work at a location that doesn’t have the public visiting like where she was. But no guarantee of getting a new posting even though her supervisor is very happy to give a good recommendation to get her hired in a different zone. Downside if she does find something in another zone is that she’ll probably be a 6 to 8 hour (or more) drive away instead of an hour drive and two hour hike.

    It’s been a tough way for me to keep a little fit, but nice to get to the woods every now and then.
     
  7. rolandson

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    Having the dog recognized as a service animal would protect both employee and service animal under the ADA.

    Just say'n.
     
  8. Bowmap

    Bowmap I nose a thang or two. Gold Member

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    Well the dog is more likely to save a life. Any ways, dogs a great judges of character. The dog was probably right about the guy. They have sniffed enough as*ho**s in the lives to know a good one from a bad one. I salute your girlfriends fortitude and not letting the family get broken up. I believe it happened for a reason. Best wishes to you and yours.
     
  9. Nadnitram

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    Does ADA apply in Canada?
     
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    Too bad her dog didn't bite him on the ass.

    Sorry your gf lost her job but she has her priorities straight keeping her dog. Family is family even if they have 4 legs.
     
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    tery Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    It sounds like an insurance / liability issue policy thing … most dogs are better than most people .
     
  12. Nadnitram

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    Levels and levels of supervisors looking for something to do to justify their salaries? And they force out one of the people with actual boots on the ground.

    Good thinking!
     
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    Oh...
    But...As Canada's a civilized country, I wouldn't be surprised if something similar applies.

    This wouldn't be a Parks Canada job would it?
     
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  14. Nadnitram

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    So, very different from ours...
     
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    Sorry that situation unfurled.
    Hope she can find something better. I sympathize since Both the Mrs & I are lifelong dog & cat people.
     
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    Sorry about the job loss. We visit our local fire look out on ATVs about twice a summer. Incredible views...
     
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    I’m not sure about specifics of service dogs but yes if he was classified as such that would be very different I’m sure.

    Actually it’s Alberta Wildfire which is party of Forestry.

    If she was in a position to burn bridges I’m pretty sure we’d see a different side of my girlfriend
     
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    My son, when faced with the conundrum of choosing between his apartment or his cat, opted for the third alternative: Having the cat identified as a companion creature to assist with bouts of anxiety. Which he indeed suffers upon occasion.

    He first needed to be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. His doctor asked "are you anxious?" He said "yes, yes I am, sometimes." The doctor then inquired about medication. My son, not liking medications, asked about a companion creature. His doctor suggested a dog, my son countered with "cat"...

    Thus, properly identified as a service cat, "Marcie" who has six toes and therefore is also known as 'Mittens' is now protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    Mr. Landlord, upon learning of the therapeutic benefits service animals provide, got a cat too.

    With any luck, big pharma will...Yeah, probably not.

    I asked about Parks Canada because crazy sister's former husband was a Warden* in Banff, his thing was rescuing people off of rocks, often dangling on a rope from under a helicopter to pluck stupids from south of the border off of something they shouldn't have tried to climb.

    He gave me one of his cool shirts. Except I can't wear it in Canada.

    *a Ranger down here is a Warden up there.
     
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    I'm just going to say this...

    Post a link to this thread on social media. Let the public decide - it's not burning bridges, it's identifying a whingeing arsehole and showing them for who they are.

    In no way is that burning bridges and Alberta Wildfire might just want to think twice before terminating an employee based on the actions of an animal - the stupidity of an approaching visitor - especially as it is there to protect the resident worker from surprises and threats, which clearly this other employee was - because he continued to approach without waiting.

    The complainant deserved more than a bite. I personally would like to see the outcome altered, and suggest appealing this ridiculous discrimination. Lawyers would have a field day and the Alberta Wildfire KNOW this is unfair treatment/dismissal.

    Have a good think about it, because Alberta wildfire cannot act against a person, when the animal is duly protective. Especially given the operational environment, and the approaching employees complete ignorance of the situation.

    IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR BEING A DICKHEAD.
     
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  20. GuitarPix

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    @JB74 - I am in agreement with you and had I been her, I’d handle it very differently.

    Then again I was once ‘escorted out’ of and terminated from an office I worked at because I told the boss what I thought of how a new supervisor handled a situation. I wasn’t mean or belligerent- but was very direct. Fortunately I got a reasonable settlement from the company.

    .... on the other hand (playing devils advocate for a moment) about 1/3 of the visitors are kids from a YMCA Camp located at the bottom of the mountain. Imagine the s###storm if one of them got bit. At this moment my girlfriend can’t 100% guarantee that wouldn’t happen if one kid happened to run up to the cabin.

    Although we know it would be pretty unlikely, if your job was - in part - to oversee public safety at a site you controlled what decision would you make? Probably a better one than they made - but it is kind of understandable. Just crappy.
     
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