New Tele intonation won’t adjust enough

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  1. JLill

    JLill New Member!

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    So I just bought my first player Tele. I’m new to electrics and decided to adjust the intonation. Even with the screws maxed all the way in (saddles all the way back)on the E a d strings they are still sharp at the twelfth. The screws for the g b e are fairly far in but able to get the intonation set. I can still send it back or is there an easier solution. Neck relief is good. Thanks
     
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    of this world Senior Stratmaster

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    if you trust your tuner, then you can shorten the springs to get more room.
     
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    Tsjackson Senior Stratmaster

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    If the action is acceptable and you’ve not been able to intonate it I’d guess a problem with anything but the guitar first. Assuming that it is a new official fender guitar.

    How are you going about doing it?
    Is the tuner a good’n?
     
  4. heltershelton

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    did you put new strings on it? are the pickups set too high?
    are you intonating it the right way?
     
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  5. JLill

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    I’ve used two different headstock tuners. I did just put 10-46 strings on it but the relief seems fine. I was able to get it
    Intonated but the E and a screws are all the way in (as far as the springs will allow). I’ve done all adjustments in the sitting/playing position. I’m just concerned wether or not it could be indicative of a neck issue or something? I hope not because I really like the guitar.
     
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    I'd second making sure you're pickups aren't too high and interfering with the vibration off the strings. At least rule that out.
     
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    arct Strat-O-Master

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    A. Get a real tuner. Not dogging you, but a headstocker isn't quite appropriate for such fine tunins and such.
    2. Look at nut at the fat string end. A little too close to the bridge makes a big difference 25.5" away at the saddle. Not a big deal at all.

    rct
     
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    use a real tuner. one that you plug in.
    try that before you really screw something up.
     
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    Mine's pretty compressed
    I don't remember if I cut the spring or not.
    I know I've done it to a couple
     
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    I'd start over. I had that issue and was sure my bridge was installed wrong. I made posts asking people to measure where theirs was and all kinds of stuff trying to figure out why my guitar wouldn't intonate.

    Well it wasn't the bridge being in the wrong place. Once I tried it again, I was able to set intonation correctly. I have no idea why it wouldn't set the first time but I was having the exact same issue.


    Its likely not an issue with the guitar itself.
     
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    SonOfLerome Senior Stratmaster

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    I’ve had a crappy headstock one for ages. What would you recommend for a plug-in?
     
  12. heltershelton

    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris

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    i have a boss tu-3 and a little korg ga-2.
    they have always worked for me. both of these are accurate to +/- 1 cent.
    now if you want to get something more accurate than that, go with a peterson strobostomp. i tried to use one of those one time and hated all the things spinning in opposite directions. i might get one someday and practice using it.
    those things are accurate to +/- 0.1 cent.
     
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    Well the only thing that was right was the neck relief. I had to lower the saddles for string height and raise the pickups a little. Everything seems in order now. The low E saddle is still pulled back quite far but a little less than before. I think i’ll Just play it for a week or so and recheck. Thanks for the tips.
     
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    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris

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    sometimes it just takes messin with it.
    just remember that no guitar can be perfectly intonated.
     
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    What gauge strings are you using, and are they new (installed by you) ?

    Look at the position of the bridge saddles on the 4 Player Tele's at this link. Set your saddles at about the same position and pattern and start over.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...er-butterscotch-blonde-with-maple-fingerboard

    Before I'd send it back, I'd take it to a local guitar tech and tell him you just can't seem to get those strings intonated. See if he can intonate it and tell you what the problem was. Might cost you $5-10, but you might learn something useful beneficial to you .
     
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    are your strings stretched out or are they still stretching and gremlin-ing your readings?

    new strings not yet stretched out will make one crazy.
     
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    Those little springs can be removed completely. Their only function is to hold the saddles in place when they are not under string tension. Once the strings are under tension, the springs are far too weak to do anything.
     
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    Yeah i noticed my Gretsch doesn’t have springs.
     
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    Yes, it is possible to get tuning (and therefore intonation) even closer on a strobe. A headstock tuner is only precise to about 3 cents. But if you're going to tune it with a headstock tuner and that's good enough, it's good enough for intonation too.

    It's not unusual for new guitars to have springs too long to get the intonation correct for 10s. It's ok to snip that spring so you can move the saddle back. Edit: Or leave it out entirely until you figure out where the saddle needs to be. End edit

    Do make sure your pickups aren't too close to the strings, that can screw up your intonation.

    If your action is high, you will need more compensation at the saddle. If your action is low, you'll need less. So if you're having trouble getting the saddles back far enough, make sure your action isn't too high.
     
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    I recommend dropping it off to a proper tech who can figure it out. You keep saying the relief is ok. You can have a banana shaped neck and still get the intonation correct at the 12th fret. So I don’t think you have the proper understanding off how it works. So before you start cutting springs I’d do a lot more research.