NGD: 1961 Stratocaster

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by EyeLikeTortoise, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. EyeLikeTortoise

    EyeLikeTortoise Strat-Talk Member

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    Hi Everyone. I just joined this forum. Today I picked up a 1961 Strat that I just purchased locally. The shop selling it is near my house so I was able to get it in person. Due to Covid I was not allowed to play in the small store, but I have 48 hours from today to decide if I want to keep it. After checking it over and playing it a bunch, I think it's a keeper. If you stalk reverb for Pre-CBS Strats maybe you have seen this one. I worked out what I think was a fair deal from the seller.

    It has a neck date of August 61, Pots date to 23rd week of 61. It is all original except it has been re-finished in white and the pick guard and knobs are replaced. The paint job seems to be done professionally in nitro. The pick guard looks old but obviously not an early 60s tort guard. Does anyone have a guess as to what era this guard is from? It looks a bit wavy and shrunken, so I assume its pretty old. I'm trying to decide if I should get a Spitfire tort guard for this. I have several of his guards on some other vintage Fenders and I think they are great.

    It has the original frets which are low but play very well. The neck feels great. I was told, and it seems that the neck finish is original, which is surprising how un-worn it is. It made me skeptical at first, but I do believe that it has not been oversprayed.

    It weighs a little over 7lbs. It has the original case too but it's pretty beat up. The seller gave me a Fender flight case in addition to the original case.

    What are your guys' thoughts on this thing? I have some experience with Pre-CBS Fenders and it all looks legit to me in accordance with the descriptions. So like I said, I have 48 hours to decide if Iwant to return it but I'm really liking how it plays and sounds so It is probably going to stay!
     

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  2. J4ME5

    J4ME5 Strat-Talker

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    N. I. C. E. !
     
  3. BigNorm

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    WOW...that's a cool one ! Enjoy.
     
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  5. SpeedKing

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    Beautiful guitar congratulations.

    If it were mine though it'd be getting a mint guard.....
     
  6. EyeLikeTortoise

    EyeLikeTortoise Strat-Talk Member

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    Would mint on white look good? I know tort guards on Strats were rare, but there is a historical precedent for them. And I'm kind of obsessed with tort :)
     
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    Miotch Senior Stratmaster

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    Nice !! Looks almost new. I agree strange the seeming lack of wear on neck finish for its age and comparative wear on frets. But I've only worn out the lacquer on the back of one neck in all my years of playing.

    If you are possibly replacing the pick guard, are you married to tortoise?
     
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    I'm sure it would – but so does Tortoise!! If that is the original guard – I for one wouldn't be changing it, I think it looks great :) !
     
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    StratoMutt Senior Stratmaster

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  10. EyeLikeTortoise

    EyeLikeTortoise Strat-Talk Member

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    It's not the original guard. If it was I deff wouldn't change it. It's not bad looking but the back of the guard near the bridge was hacked out by hand which is doesn't look great. I'll prob go with a Spitfire.
     
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    charlie chitlin Strat-O-Master Silver Member

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    Serious slab o' rosewood, there.
    Beautiful.
    Congrats.
    Dream birth year guitar for me.
    Why does it seem further out if reach every year? o_O
     
  12. EyeLikeTortoise

    EyeLikeTortoise Strat-Talk Member

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    I'm thankful there are Re-fins out there!
     
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    charlie chitlin Strat-O-Master Silver Member

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    I, too, am a fan of "player's grade"!
     
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  14. Bazz Jass

    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Silver Member

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    Very nice looking guitar!

    The Spitfire guards are great. Being that it's a very "white" shade of white - more arctic than olympic - I'd probably steer toward a lighter shade of tort. The Vintage Bright Red, Speckled 60s looks great to me. Just my opinion!

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  15. EyeLikeTortoise

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    Yeah I was actually thinking the same configuration (Bright Red and Speckled 60) and get the edges yellowed/aged to match the knobs and PU covers. I emailed Mark earlier to get his thoughts.
     
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    really cool man, congrats! :thumb:
     
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    Walk proud
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  18. SpeedKing

    SpeedKing Senior Stratmaster

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    Whatever guard you do go for I'd at least get one with the correct hole pattern for a '61... and I'd get one with the truss access 'notch' as well just for authenticity.

    I'd say the guard you have with the '63 and on hole pattern and '71 and on absence of notch can't be any older than just that ... '71 earliest. Likely later.

    I still think mint is the classic look .... with the right pattern and notch.

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    Either way it looks beautiful guitar and if it plays great and sounds great there isn't much more to say. Keep it.
     
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    Nick-O Senior Stratmaster

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    Oh dingle....you be so blessed! Mercy....well done!!
     
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  20. StratoMutt

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    Same here.
     
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