Nut filing

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  1. ThreeChordWonder

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    If the neck comes off, like a Fender for example, try shimming the neck.
     
  2. Janning

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    No. its all one piece.
     
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    Oh b#gger.
     
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  5. Janning

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    No problem, I've got a new strat, and a new EVH wolfgang special (both are FAR past my "abilities" ) so I'm not suffering. Bascially I have a NICE Gym, Im just trying to make a portable dumbell. Its compact, cheap......in those places where "I wish I had my guitar while I'm sitting here wasting time"...and if it gets broken or stolen? Who cares.
     
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    Found it. This would slip over the existing nut....that would raise the strings quite a bit.....NOT good for me. I don't know if its just me, or where I'm at with my abilities (13 months), but, unless I have super super low fret action....its like playing a barbed wire fence. Not that I'm that good at all, but, the slightest of higher action, puts me back to not day one, but hour one. I feel like I'm the only one, I can't imagine say Slash or EVH being able to do what they do with an average fret action much less a high action and stiff strings.
     
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    The tool won’t result in raised strings. You remove the nut and insert it into the tool. It has two sides that are spring loaded to hold the nut in place. You then can very finely adjust how much of the bottom of the nut you want to remove. That amount sticks out the bottom of the tool. You then take whatever grit sandpaper you want, lay it on the bench, and then roll the tool over the paper like a toy car. You’ll get a good level bottom. Then reinstall the nut and you will have lower action.

    Here’s a good video:



    Bill, tgo
     
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  9. Janning

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    Ohhhhhh, its a tool to adjust the nutt, awesome. For this guitar, the cost is too much, but for sure if I ever need it on one others, its the way to go. On this cheap beater guitar, I was able to buy a new nut and using a 5000 RPM grind wheel, got it spot on. After doing that, then the bridge was too high!, so I took out each of the 6 saddles and got the grinder back out. I was able to get the Fret action LOW as F#$#$, and consistent down the neck.

    I think I'm going to throw a Seymour Duncan on it and it should be pretty spiced up
     
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    I usually only look to file the nut if the strings aren’t sliding through it properly. If I want to lower the action, usually I lower the bridge, which is usually adjustable.
     
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    I would have only done this, but the nutt had the strings WAY high, and the bridge was as low as it would go, and it was WAY high there too. After filing down the nutt and the saddles its LOW as hell, I have ONE dead spot but now I can go up on the bridge to get rid of that easily.
     
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  12. Bob Spumoni

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    I am an unrepentant filer of nut slots. I do the deed with a ragtag collection of old jewelers' files. my father's old Exacto saws, and guitar strings schmirped with a little grease and valve grinding compound.. Sometimes, after all, the problem is with the shape of the slot, not its depth. Filing the bottom of the nut does nothing for this. Given how easy it is to put in a new nut, I am always surprised how alarmist people get over such a simple task. If things go astray, get a new nut and continue grinding away unto glory.

    Or - gird your loins, perfectionists - get ya a little baking soda and some super glue, then resume filing.

    Once I just stuck a teensy piece of brass shim stock in there. I am not worthy.
     
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    I’m glad you got it working. I hope I didn’t come off like I was insulting your intelligence. I find plenty of times I overlook the easier solution for whatever reason, and I just wanted to make sure you weren’t going down that path.

     
  14. Janning

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    No not at all, you gave me great advice to do it the right way, but this is a CHEAP guitar, it was ok to chance on rigging it...and it turned out ok!
     
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    Man, I just can't believe that people will pay so much to have such basic guitar maintenance done. Especially if you are really into guitars, and have a sizable collection. Its absolutely necessary to be able to do this kind of thing. Unless you are loaded, and extremely busy, and it's not worth your time when to pay 50 bucks or something is nothing to you. But for most people, you gotta learn how to do this kind of thing. My other hobby is mountain biking. Now a full suspension downhill mountain bike is infinitely more complex than a guitar, with loads of moving parts, and components, 100s of bucks worth of tools required to do work on. I do all of that myself including from things like bleeding and setting up hydraulic disc brakes, servicing suspension forks, setting up gears, truing wheels, down to repairing a puncture or adjusting the angle of the handlebar or suspension settings for my weight etc. The only thing I don't do myself usually is wheel building, because its a real hassle and takes a while, and I can have it done relatively cheaply by someone who does it professionally all the time and so I know it will be done right. Now a lot of people i know will get a large amount of work on their bikes done by the bike shop, because a lot of it is specialised knowledge and can be tricky, and like I said the tools required to do the work cost hundreds. But absolutely anyone who rides mountain bikes will, or certainly should, be able to the basics like changing a tire, adjusting gears and brakes, and should be able to check their bike over before and after riding to ensure that everything is nice and secure, no bolts have worked loose, nothing has bent or broken, etc. You have to be at least somewhat competent with these things, unless you are going to take your bike into the shop to be serviced after everytime you ride it, or you blow a tire, or your gear cable stretches out and requires adjusting. Just the the thought of how much this would cost is staggering, as we'll as being very inconvenient. Unless you are a millionaire who can pay to have a personal bike tech. Even these most basic of bike maintenance operations are more complex that anything on a guitar. There's just nothing to it, a quick YouTube video can be found explaining how to do any work on a guitar. I guess if you are cash rich and time poor, then get someone else to do it, but for most people, you just have to buy a set of nutfiles and get to it. First do your research so you know what you're supposed to be doing and how to do it and the correct tools. Then once you have done it correctly, you'll have no problem doing it again on your next guitar which needs work done.
     
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    I totally agree, I'm a newbie, and I'm kinda surprised rite out the gate, "go see a tech" or a Lutheran haha!1 (luthier)....I just need to tune a half step down!! No, kidding on that. I had for sure never taken out a nut, much less filed one down, yet I did it my first time. I did over file a tad on high e, tucked a shim in, good to go.
    Especially on this cheap travelers guitar! Pay a luthier 2-3 times what the whole thing cost!? noway. Its not even about the money, most of the time, they are "too good to talk to you" when I go in with my EVH wolfgang special, then standing there w thumb up ass say they are SO SO busy could be 2 week. Im way too impatient for that.
     
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    One thing I didn't see mentioned was that when removing the nut it's a good idea to run a utility knife edge between the nut and the fretboard just to make sure that you don't pull up any of the fretboard finish that might have been applied after the nut was installed.
     
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