Origins Of Rock and Roll: Rant

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  1. s5tuart

    s5tuart Perfecting time travel since 2525

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    It depends on your definition of Rock and Roll.
    In the mid fifties when Bill Haley played in the uk there were riots!
    All us kids back then were searching for something different in music and anyone who played "the devils music" got a lot of credit and support from the youth of the time.
    The definition of R&R is different for different countries and people.
    My definition of it....











    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vDU9FP5_B2M

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_h2kaX4e3hY
     
  2. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    Now that's what I call rock 'n' roll :D:D:D
     
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    trapdoor2 Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    Don't get me started on the banjo's history. :confused:

    This tune, published in 1855...listen to the syncopation. The slides are not notated but they almost force themselves to be played (and this is quite a fun tune to play). Frankly, this sounds a lot like rock and roll to me. Great-Great-Great Grandfather?

     
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    Man,you been sneaking a look at my 8 tracks I blast when working the garage? Great music and thanks for posting!
    Same definition for RnR here as methinks as its real its Universal. :)
     
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    Kind of like claiming WC Handy invented Blues, isn't it... claiming that any one person "invented" RnR?

    Or that Watson and Crick invented DNA.

    Very VERY few 'inventions' spring forth truly sui generis and ex nihilio.

    Even great innovators don't exist in a vacuum. The time has to be right and the foundations have to be there.

    All invention depends on prior art in some way. Going all the way back to the first time some creature banged two rocks together to change one of them. And even then, some other creature started with just the one rock.

    And when the time is right, even astounding innovations (calculus, anyone? or Faraday vs Henry) can be synthesized "originally" by more than one person independently.

    This doesn't detract from the innovators. I'm DEFINITELY not of the "...you didn't build that!" crowd.

    It takes real genius to see the pieces and fit them together in a new and beautiful way, and bring the new combination into the world in a way others can appreciate, and emulate.

    But the pieces have to be there.
     
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    Rock'n'roll is a product of evolution, not invention.

    TP
     
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    You forgot Hank Marvin.
     
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    s5tuart Perfecting time travel since 2525

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    I respect Hank but I never saw him as a Rocker, more into melodies than the raw energy songs.
    When I first saw Move It on TV I found it exciting but Cliff quickly lost the whole rebel image and started doing stuff like Summer Holiday :eek::p
     
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  10. Old Guy

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    I was ambiguous. I meant the person who posted a comment. (My oops, and twice so if your post was humor.)
     
  11. Old Guy

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    Sure as can be. The sun did not shine through any clothing when he told us to S R & R.
     
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    An evolution, not a revolution. It evolved, it didn't appear.

    Early blues is the start and we all know that dates way back. EX. "House of the Rising Sun" probably has its roots in the 16th century. Chew on that.
     
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    Louis Jordan in 1946 - 10 years before Elvis!

     
  14. Old Guy

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    With deep blues roots. I always love a well bent string.
     
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    Yep. And another one Elvis "covered," like a decade after the original:

     
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  16. Old Guy

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    He was great. We all imitate those licks. No no, do not deliver me from the days of old.
     
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    Speaking of Louis Jordan, Chuck Berry admitted he was influenced by (read: stole :D) guitar licks from the Louis Jordan band:






    "Louis Jordan topped the R&B charts for a total of one hundred thirteen weeks, an unheard of accomplishment. His classic “Saturday Night Fish Fry” is an early example of rap and possibly the first rock and roll recording."

     
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    Wouldn't dream of it, mate!:confused:
     
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    Nonsense. We know where he got the style:

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    When the earliest European settlers heard the rhythmic work songs of slaves and the Africans heard the mournful sounds of the pipes and violins the Europeans brought with them a new American music was conceived. "...How the music can free you whenever it starts..." John Sebastian got it right. mick and Keith, too. "I know it's only Rock n Roll, but I like it"..Thank you, Old Guy, Uncle John Patalon and Banjo Bob Freedman.
     
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