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Otis Rush: His Early Recordings and Early Strat

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  1. freddairy

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    Thinking about Otis Rush's sunburst Stratocaster we see him posed with prior to 1963.
    Is it a '54, 55, maybe an early '56? It has a round string tree which would indicate an earlier model.

    Does anyone know what happened to this particular Strat?

    Otis Rush probably used this Strat for the Cobra Sessions and the Chess sessions that make it onto the 1970 release Door to Door which I believe was comprised of singles recorded in '60 or '61.

    The Epiphone Riviera didn't exist yet(or at least the model we see him with later).

    The other early Otis recordings I can think of are the ones on the Chicago/The Blues/Today! Vol. 2 record. But he may have had the Riviera by then. It sounds like a Strat to me but you never can tell.

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    The Cobra recordings are from the late 50s which I think were his first, at least first released.

    https://open.spotify.com/album/2xRWG3ikjf8O1tiQxJCW68?si=h2q7b_QMTb6yL7leMaWUkA

    I think I recall reading in a Willie Dixon biography that Willie recorded those tracks along with other tracks by Magic Sam and Buddy Guy in the rear room of Cobra owner Eli Toscano's record store.

    The Cobra Wiki says the label started in '56 so certainly the guitar is no later than that.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Records
     
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    Heres a colour photo of him playing it, no one seems to know much about it. the cobra recordings were 56/58 so people saying its a 57 cant be right and looking at the play wear already on it by 56/57 it could even be a 54 possibly.
     
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    He must have really played the hell out of that thing to get that much wear that quick.
     
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    I read some where once, it was originally buddy guys strat that willie Dixon got buddy to lend to Otis as he wanted them both playing live and Otis for what ever reason didn't have a guitar , could explain why wasn't used for long by him ?
     
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    Might be worth checking if buddy has an early maple neck strat in his collection then see if you can match fret wear etc.
     
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    That color picture is GREAT! Any idea on the date of that picture?
     
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    @Soul31 that could be the same guitar not great photo but similar neck wear.

    @freddairy no sorry
     
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    Cobra sessions = Ike Turner. ;)
     
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    This photo is from the Complete Chicago the Blues Set CD liner notes. This set contains the '66 recordings. Not sure when the picture is from.

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    Hasn't this always been debated?

    DOUBLE TROUBLE
    "The song was produced by Willie Dixon[7] and features Rush on guitar and vocal, Dixon on bass, Ike Turner on second guitar, Little Brother Montgomery on piano, Harold Ashby and Jackie Brenston on saxophones, and Billy Gayles on drums. Although Rush plays the lead guitar introduction to the song, Turner plays the signature vibrato guitar parts.[5] In 1986, Rush recorded a live version of the song for Blues Interaction – Live in Japan 1986, which was released in 1989."
     
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    Buddy did seem to also use a very similar strat around the same period it would seem
     
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    Buddy and Otis didn't share the same Strat.

    Buddy's Strat body was more beat up.
    I believe he referred to it as a '58.
    It was stolen at some point.

    Most importantly Buddy's didn't have a round string tree.
     
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    Fair enough hadn't looked at the string tree tbh.
     
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    No. Ike was integral to those early Cobra sides. It was his band backing him up. Brenston was an old co-hort. People underllay Ike's importance in a lot of stuff. The Biharis, Chess, Sun, Federal...that's all I was saying. :)
     
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    I'm not underlying Ike's importance at all. The guy was an amazing early Strat player.
    But I've heard this before and I don't think a lot of those solos sound like what Ike was doing. No doubt he was on the sessions but it sounds like Otis to me.
     
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    Ike was pretty new to the guitar at that time. But I hear two guitars. And they are different. Can't say who is who...and I don't really care. :)
     
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    Here's a big one that you can get a closer look at the Strat. 2a.jpg
     
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