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Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Stratafied, Oct 13, 2021.
Its been argued a lot of the Beatles sophistication came from George Martin
Yeah, you keep arguing that.
George Martin produced a lot of non-Beatles records too.
It may not be well known in the States, or the UK for that matter, but the early styles both bands adopted were virtually polar opposites of their actual backgrounds.. the Beatles with their suits and matching hairstyles were working class lads.. whilst the Stones in their fashionably scruffy charity shop gear came from further up the social scale..
Lmao, now tell me about sophistication.
Accepted.. but that didn't last long..
well, yea. Because the Beatles were incredibly talented. Keep in mind they also worked with Martin for many years. You work with somebody you learn... they worked WITH him in the studio. So yea, after hundreds of hours with him - I'd also argue much of his genius and innovation rubbed off. There is a huge difference between doing something innovative FIRST or copying it. When EVH did eruption - it was brilliant and innovative and nobody was doing that stuff. Now, 13 yr old kids can play it perfectly note for note. That doesn't make it any less innovative.
imo, POST Beatles - McCartney's stuff was pretty weak. Sure, there were some really good songs (live and let die) but overall it was pretty treacly and uninspiring. Harrison was pretty weak too - and one of his biggest songs resulted in a lawsuit for plagiarism ... which he lost. Ringo? Ringo's post Beatles output was ... close to nonexistent.
Lennon was the only one who really had much to SAY after the Beatles... i will give full disclosure here and say I think Imagine is one of the most insipid songs ever recorded. That being said, Instant Karma, Working Class Hero, #9 Dream, etc. are awesome... but the level of INNOVATION? Not so much. Great songs, but Lennon wasn't really INNOVATIVE post Beatles - he just wrote some really great songs...
Is there ANY Beatles song as powerful as Gimme Shelter?
I also dig the stones' live slurred guitar attack...