Please tell me about the added condenser role! 

jselect

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Oct 8, 2022
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Kyoto, Japan
Please tell me about the added condenser role!
I am the second owner of this no-caster,
but it seems that the first owner added a 0.047μF oil paper capacitor and soldered it.
How did he intend to change the sound of this no-caster by adding this?
If you are familiar with electrical matters, please let me know.

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The Ballzz

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Feb 26, 2014
2,592
LAS VEGAS , NV
Please tell me about the added condenser role!
I am the second owner of this no-caster,
but it seems that the first owner added a 0.047μF oil paper capacitor and soldered it.
How did he intend to change the sound of this no-caster by adding this?
If you are familiar with electrical matters, please let me know.

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Most folks call the "condenser"a capacitor, but that's OK. It's chosen value selects the frequency range that gets sent/bled to ground by the tone pot! Different values select different frequencies.You can read up on how tone pot circuits function and be amazed!
Just Capacitatin'
Gene
 

Chipss36

Senior Stratmaster
Oct 1, 2018
1,428
Texas
Looks like gibson 50s wiring to me, that works well in a tele.
the volume and tone controls are a bit interactive, the volume when turned down looses less highs that a standard set up.
however the tone knob can also affect volume.
I like this style of wiring, and use it in all my tele’s. And Gibsons,
if you use vol, and tone knobs, this wiring can yield a ton of different tones. Way beyond what a standard modern wiring does.

the cap is a standard value for a tele. It really does not matter what style of cap is used, more so the value. That’s a good value to use that you have.

none of this really matters, what do you think of your tele…..and how is it working out for you,
that’s what matters.
 

Scott Baxendale

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Eric_G

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Jan 10, 2021
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Quebec
I'm too lazy today to draw that out so that I can understand it, but off the top of my head it looks like the '53 Tele style wiring:


That was my first thought but looking at it, it seems that B3 is connected to the left lug of the volume and not the ground... Also, hard to tell, but it look like the ceramic cap is connected in a treble bleed config...

I think we need more detailed picture to see what connected where...
 

Eric_G

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Jan 10, 2021
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Quebec
I don't think that's right. The ceramic disk looks like a treble bleed. But I can’t see the connection well enough to be sure. The vitamin q cap is absolutely a tone cap.
Agreed, that cap looks like a treble bleed setup, knowing the value could also help, it should be under 3nf... Anything like a 22nf or 47nf would be more a tone application...
 

jselect

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Oct 8, 2022
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Kyoto, Japan
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Wound_Up

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Jan 23, 2020
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Most folks call the "condenser"a capacitor, but that's OK. It's chosen value selects the frequency range that gets sent/bled to ground by the tone pot! Different values select different frequencies.You can read up on how tone pot circuits function and be amazed!
Just Capacitatin'
Gene

Yea. But there's 2 there. Most Teles don't have 2 caps. IME, people outside the US call them condensers. Either is correct.


More than likely, it's being used as a treble bleed/part of a treble bleed circuit. That's the only time I ever see multiple caps on a Fender.

Is that a 4 way switch, @jselect ?
 

dirocyn

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Jan 20, 2018
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Yea. But there's 2 there. Most Teles don't have 2 caps. IME, people outside the US call them condensers. Either is correct.
We in the U.S. called them condenser when used in a points ignition. Which were phased out in the 1970s, but a few of the old cars are still around.
More than likely, it's being used as a treble bleed/part of a treble bleed circuit.
It is 100% a treble bleed, now that I can see how it's hooked up. The small cap is intended to keep the signal from getting darker as the volume turns down.
 

jselect

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Oct 8, 2022
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Kyoto, Japan
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Yea. But there's 2 there. Most Teles don't have 2 caps. IME, people outside the US call them condensers. Either is correct.


More than likely, it's being used as a treble bleed/part of a treble bleed circuit. That's the only time I ever see multiple caps on a Fender.

Is that a 4 way switch, @jselect ?
This is 3way.
 

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jselect

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Is the small capacitor a high-pass filter to prevent the high from falling when the volume is squeezed? And does the Vitamin Q capacitor affect the tone control?
 

stratman323

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Apr 21, 2010
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Yea. But there's 2 there. Most Teles don't have 2 caps. IME, people outside the US call them condensers. Either is correct.


More than likely, it's being used as a treble bleed/part of a treble bleed circuit. That's the only time I ever see multiple caps on a Fender.

Is that a 4 way switch, @jselect ?

Nope, in the UK we call them caps. If that's a treble bleed circuit, it's worse than useless, get some wire cutters & cut it off
 

Eric_G

Senior Stratmaster
Jan 10, 2021
3,468
Quebec
Why does treble bleed circuit worse than useless?
It doesn’t.… necessarily… Like everything else, it’s all about the config of your instrument and what are your preference.

So as you stated correctly, you have two caps to impact both your knob.

The tone cap is the 0.047uf cylinder, it’s attached to your tone pot and work interactively with your pot, fully open it has near-zero impact to you tone, as you turn it, it’s start to redirect high frequency to ground thus making your tone darker.

The treble bleed cap, small pill like with the 102 code is a 0.001uf. It is attached to your volume to let some of the high frequency bypass the volume, thus keeping a certain amount of high frequency in your tone as you lower the volume.

If you like the sound of your guitar, don’t touch it. If you feel the tone is too thin, remove the the treble bleed cap. The treble bleed is also sometime use in combination with a small resistor, in series or in parallel. you can see different manufacturers application here.


If you find your tone goes from clean to too muddy (too dark) you can try replacing the tone cap with a lower value. 0.022uf would normally be used for humbuckers, but is sometimes preferred by some for single coils as well.

At the end, it’s all about preferences.
 


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