Poll: why nitro finish?

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by diogoguitar, Sep 2, 2020.

why do you like nitro finish?

  1. Feel

    41 vote(s)
    18.3%
  2. I didn't pick the guitar for the nitro finish. I picked the guitar for other reasons.

    62 vote(s)
    27.7%
  3. Worn look after many hours playing it

    48 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. Resonance

    12 vote(s)
    5.4%
  5. I prefer poly

    41 vote(s)
    18.3%
  6. Historically accurate

    20 vote(s)
    8.9%
  1. Namelyguitar

    Namelyguitar Most Honored Senior Member Silver Member

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    Some buy a Nitro finish guitar for other specs, too.

    I suspect that some Nitro fans enjoy the history, and they also know the current process used by large cos. is NOT the same as 50 years ago- when our grandparents (or maybe your great-grandparents) had natural dark hair on their heads. ;)
     
  2. Peter_Polfeldt

    Peter_Polfeldt Strat-Talk Member

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    If youre doing it w a spraycan. The nitro thinner - toulen - evapourates and the finish hardens 100%.
    Most of the car-paint poly spraycans never go 100% hard, therefore less brittle finishes.
    I think that affects the tone some.
    also the polishing is affected.
    And all of the above.
     
  3. Neil.C

    Neil.C Most Honored Senior Member

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    And yet all the sought after Fenders from their golden age, the '50's and '60's under Leo's control used nitro (with some acrylic). ;)
     
  4. thcguitars

    thcguitars Strat-Talk Member

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    Lacquer takes a long time to cure. During that time, the finish matures and the "depth" of the finish increases. Nitro stays clear much longer, is resistant to UV staining and anytime in the life of the instrument, the top coat can be buffed, or other coats added and the fish will remain homogeneous. Also I think it handles gassing better - not as brittle. Poly shoots well.
     
  5. diogoguitar

    diogoguitar Senior Stratmaster

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    Thanks everyone. Ok, I'm convinced - I'm not going through the hassle of getting another nitro finished guitar just for having it.

    I would basically have to have the body shipped from warmoth to MJT and have it finished there. Too much work/cost. Warmoth finish it is.
     
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  6. Andrew Wasson

    Andrew Wasson Senior Stratmaster

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    Wait, what?

    “Nitro stays clear much longer, is resistant to UV staining and anytime in the life of the instrument, the top coat can be buffed, or other coats added and the fish will remain homogeneous. Also I think it handles gassing better - not as brittle.”

    I’ve never found Nitro resistant to UV or staining. Those would be characteristics of one of the poly type finishes or the very new two part finishes Fender has been using but not nitro.
     
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  7. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Most Honored Senior Member

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    I was wondering if anyone would pick-up on that post .. all I can say is I reckon someone was "speed reading" and hit a speed bump at 1000 words a second....

    r
     
  8. Bob the builder

    Bob the builder Most Honored Senior Member

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    I was gonna say
    I ain't no expert on guitar but I've been in woodshops and remodeling for a little over 40 years
    Laquer is gonna yellow way before poly
     
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  9. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Most Honored Senior Member

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    I dunno where that one came from but... Poly makes the perfect primer/sealer for nitro... in fact the original FullerPlast was a precursor to the modern polys...

    If you're refinishing a guitar, unless the finish is absolutely trashed, do not strip it... fill dings with BonDo.. give it a coat or two of primer, then go immediately to the color coat....


    what causes "fish-eyer" is contaminants in/on the wood or existing finish... here is what "fish eye" looks like.. this guitar was probably contaminated with Silicone, Wax, or something else that wasn't removed prior to the first coats going down.

    r


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  10. Scott Baxendale

    Scott Baxendale Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    spraying Lacquer over fullerplast is not the same as spraying lacquer over a polyUrethane finish. Fullerplast kind of sucks as a base primer coat too, IMO. Taylor uses it because it is fast and helps prevent lacquer checking which is something I want the finish to eventually do. We use vinyl sealer which is much better in a nitro finish application. There are many different ways to finish a guitar and even in the same type of finish and whatever gets you to the end result. The proof is the end result. Every brand of every finish is different as well, and each finishing product has a data sheet with recommendations and those never apply exactly when doing guitar finishes. Every professional luthier has evolved their finishing processes through lots of trial and error and each has reached their skill level doing it in different ways. Contamination is also a problem when overspraying such as in your photo, but I’ve decontaminated many guitars with cleaning and naphtha and you still get fisheye problems if you don’t put a barrier coat of vinyl sealer before spraying nitro.
     
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  11. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Most Honored Senior Member

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    well you're right, as am I... I didn't say Fullerplast WAS a Polyurethane, I said it was the precursor to Poly's. So if ya sprayed Nitro over Fullerplast you wouldn't be spraying it over Poly, and If you sprayed it over Poly, you wouldn't be spraying it over Fullerplast..

    However the two most often used on guitar's behave very much alike and make an excellent sealer primer.. IMO

    Now, in a production environment there are indeed many finishing systems available, but some are completely devoid a barrier coating of anything vinyl... But, as ya said, whatever gets ya to the finish line in the manner you prefer is the perfect manner in which to finish your guitars..
     
  12. ThinLizzy73

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    I never play my Gibson because it stays in the case due to the nitro finish. My Fender gets played everyday because it can sit on a guitar stand. This is so much the case, that I’m thinking about getting an Epi Les Paul just so that I can leave it on the stand.
     
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    Malurkey Senior Stratmaster

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    :eek:

    You sir, are a bad, bad man! ;)
     
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    My Eric Johnson Strat is thin nitro over poly but I’d say it’s thin nitro over a thin wood conditioner or clear primer. It sits on a stand, leans against the couch or hangs on the wall. It gets played way more that way and the nitro hasn’t suffered as a result. It’s a 2007 model.
     
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    I ain't been in a spray booth in alot of years.
    Wouldn't a product like smoothie help out?
     
  16. RadioFM74

    RadioFM74 Senior Stratmaster

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    Cotton socks to cover your stand, and you needn't worry about the nitro. Just make sure it's cotton and not some sort of synthetic fiber.
     
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    mexipan Strat-Talker

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    Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you !

    Nitro finishes are realistic, and the satisfaction of the relic effect after playing your axe for a while is, to me, the reason to play a guitar so much.
     
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    Thin nitro every time. Ideally worn in. I’m finding the latter to be paramount for me. So much so, I don’t think I’m ever going l to buy a new guitar again!
     
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    it does indeed....


    When ya paint "old" gear... you have no idea what it has been assaulted by in it's life time... and while it may look pristine... it could have been hosed down with some kinda goop intended goop that saturated the finish, and on into the wood with silicone or other "problem" solutions...

    as many of us learned as Scouts, "be prepared"...

    r
     
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  20. Collin D Plonker

    Collin D Plonker Strat-O-Master

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    Nitro on necks always feels dirty to me, like there is some kind of sticky film on there that never quite dries and keeps melting into itself. Because there is.