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Practical Music Workshop #3: Three Chords

Discussion in 'Tab & Music Forum' started by fezz parka, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Alan L Cole

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    Well I had that coming! Please be gentle
     
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    Nice track E!
     
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    Naah... i've just spent a lot of time playing chord parts.
    But thank you for saying that anyhow...
    :)
     
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    I must admit, the first time I heard the backing I wondered if it wasn't slightly too basic, in that I grasped the changes straight away. Then I thought: @fezz parka's doesn't go to all this trouble unless he intends us to actually learn something. That's when it dawned on me that I'd better think about the overall arrangement, and not just play the same stuff I could play in my sleep.

    The really gratifying thing is we all seem to have grasped that, but for the most part, we've all come up with something completely different! There are a lot of great takes, and they've really made me think. (Mostly: Wow! I wouldn't have thought of doing that. Do I even understand how it's made...?)

    What an excellent Workshop so far! :thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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    And no one would fault you for that Mr. Bit, least of all me.
     
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    Dave and I are twin sons from different mothers. We'd take on all comers. :D
     
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    My second take, it is harder than it looks. Found that A7b5 has 3 common notes with E7 and played only those for A part, then added some chromatic thing to part B and played some stupid solo. I hope I didnt went too far from the track.

     
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    The A part is the most "complicated". Its a direct lift from Freeway Jam, except in A instead of G:
    A-F#-G-G#-A. Just a chromatic walk up.
    The last measure of it is:
    A-C#-D-D#-E.
    It's why the blues thing works over it.
    The rest is just the 1-3-5 of E,D, and A. Firmly major...but you could go Dom 7 and turn it into a Mixolydian nightmare. LOL
     
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    If you ever heard Leonard Bernstein play Rhapsody On A Theme by Paganini...you'd hear visceral. Or Louis Armstrong play St.Louis Blues. Or Charlie Parker play Donna Lee...

    Its not just guitar music that hits you on a gut level. Mozart does it as well as Muddy. Beethoven and Bach can rock your socks off.
     
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    Which is a great choice. The bass line resolves to E...which is the first measure of the B section. :)
     
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    Seems to me when composing a melody scales are scales whether they have 5 notes or 7. There's no question the minor pentatonic scale is abused by guitarists 24/7 though.
     
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    Many beautiful Asian melodies are based on pentatonic scales.

    I'm talking about the last part of your post. The "1000 blues licks you can use" players...licks aren't melodies. The "it's in A lets drive that minor pent into the ground". I've been at blues gigs and jams and heard the exact same Albert King licks played by a dozen different people. The exact same licks.
    I've done it...you've done it...we've all done it. Take off the training wheels...do something different. Abandon the "blues licks you can use" and play something with a melodic theme. You wanna blow blues all over everything...jam threads are great for that. It's fun.

    People see I/IV/V and immediately think blues. Neil Diamond writes a lot of his tunes in I/IV/V. I Am I Said...Longfellow's Seranade...its not just the blues. It's Hank Williams too.
     
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    Training wheels off and I crashed and burned quite a few times tonight lol.
    Thanks for referencing Hank Williams.
    Do you mean Sr. or Jr. or both .
    I’m a big fan of Sr by the way :D.
     
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    The 'lateral thinking' guru Edward de Bono describes the brain as a 'self maximising system', and likens it to what happens if you constantly drip water onto a featureless plate of some soft substance. After a while, the water starts to form grooves where the water has run off, and most of the drops that follow will run off along those paths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_de_Bono

    We're all wired the same way, and it helped keep us alive for millions of years. "The first mammoth killed Ug, so all the other mammoths are dangerous..."

    This helps to explain why it is so tempting to use yesterday's solution to today's problem. "Normally, if it's in A and I play this Minor Pentatonic scale, it sounds pretty good..."

    When I try to play outside those old blues and rock clichés, I sometimes sound as if I've only been playing for a few months. In a way, that is because I genuinely am a beginner if I'm attempting some thing new.

    Let's put it another way:

    "Ralf is our storeman, and he brings 40 years' experience to the job."

    "What he actually brings to the job is six months' experience and 39 1/2 years' of repetition."

    I don't want to be Ralf.
     
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    Hank Williams is just Hank Williams. Junior is a moron. ;)
     
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    A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. ;)

    Muscle memory can take over. It creeps in. Like Howard said, you don't want to play licks. Sometimes you can't help it, but that's the goal.
     
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    I have been saved from a life of playing licks because I have always been far too lazy to bother to learn anyone's licks.
     
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    Don't worry, you can get trapped by your own clichés and bad habits even more easily. :D

    "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." That was me for years. Loved Steely Dan and Weather Report, still played like I was auditioning for Cream. :oops:
     
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    That's musical ignorance. I IV V is the foundation of all music. I don't see how an Albert King lick is any less melodic than Ode to Joy though. I guess I'm picking nits.
     
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