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Practical Music Workshop #5: The Continuing Road to Ubiquitous Chord Progressions...Andalusia!

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  1. fezz parka

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    For the next one in the Ubiquitous Chord Progression series...Here's a simple Andalusian cadence ( i–VII–VI–V7 ) and a straight forward i-ii°7-V7 opening/break.

    The bass line implies the following basic chords:
    A section: i-ii°7-V7 = Am - Bdim7 - E7.
    B section: i–VII–VI–V7 = Am - G - F - E7.

    But...there's wiggle room. Remember, the bass line is your road map...but side routes can work just fine. Just come back to the original path. In other words...there are no bad notes...just bad resolutions.

    Each section of the form repeats twice. I'm not going to count the measures for you though. That's your thang. The B section repeats three times in the form. The middle one is for your solo.

    So play a hook/melody over the A section. Try to keep it repeating as it's the song's home base.
    Play a repeating melody over the first and third repetition of the B section.

    Basic guidelines:
    • No Jamming. There are jam threads elsewhere. Jam on them. This is about composition and performance of the composition. It's also not a recording competition, so just focus on the tune.
    • There have been some entries in previous PMW threads with vocals. This is OK only if it's essential like Hocus Pocus By Focus. No words no lyrics...that's not what we're trying to do here. A melody, simply put , is a string of notes that are musically pleasing. No lyrics are necessary.
    • Play a supporting/rhythm track. It doesn't need to be guitar. It can be piano, organ, kazoo, whatever.
    • Write a melody for both the A and B sections. Solo in the middle B section.
    • Have fun...experiment...and there is no rush. First one in doesn't matter. When you're comfortable with it...post it. It's not about improvisation. It's about composition. :D


    The backing Bass & Drums track:



    Again....this exercise exploits a well used chord progression. A little background:

    Andalusian Cadence

    Nights In White Satin.
    Happy Together.
    Stray Cat Strut.
    Hit The Road Jack.
    Runaway.
    Sultans Of Swing.
    Wild World.
    I Will Survive.
    Maneater.
    50 Ways To Leave Your Lover.
    Like A Hurricane.
    Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood.

    Hotel California is a modified Andalusian cadence/circle progression.

    And tons of flamenco stuff. Kinda where it came from.
     
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    Thank you for this. Classic sequence. I've downloaded your track. I'll start on it now, but probably post when we come back from our trip to Italy. As you say, no point in rushing to be first. :)
     
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    Nope! Work the tune...consider it a demo of a new composition. :D
     
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    Bdim7...
    Broken chord ok?
     
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    Of course! a broken chord is just an arpeggio! nice to see you here
     
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    That Bdim7 - is it just me or is it just adding the F note to the E7? Is that what makes it Andelusian - that it implies the VI and the V?

    One thing's for sure, I won't be doing a distorted rock rhythm - I cannot get any versions of that chord to sound good with crunch or distortion.

    I will either get this done tonight or next week - it's off to the Grand Canyon tomorrow for me and the fam (never been) - some bucket list stuff.

    One thing's for sure - I never find your challenges/workshops easy. :whistling:
     
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    B diminished triad = B-D-F
    Bdim7 = B-D-F-G#

    So a B diminished triad with a bb7.

    The easy fingering/grip:

    guitar-Bdim7-b-n-l-v-x-2-3-1-3-x.png

    Read the link I posted above. Andalusia is in Spain. Flamenco. ;)

    Its the ii° in the A minor progression.
    Its the vii° in the relative major progression of C major.

    C major scale
    CDEFGAB
    1234567
    A minor scale
    ABCDEFG
    6712345
     
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    Oh darn

    I liked it better as a B half-dim:



    So it is a full diminished...well I stand corrected. I was going to ask about that.

    I liked the sound of the half-dim with the Am-G-F-E thing.

    So much for being an expert.

    I was going to point out the use of arpeggios, but that seems moot at this point.
     
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    Am - B dim 7 -E7.

    The tradition from Bdim7 to E7 to my ears sounds perfect. Smooth and effortless yet your ear senses slight tension.

    Play it. You'll hear what I hear. :)
     
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    Yeah, I get it, and I blew it...too many times playing stuff like "Black Orpheus" with the ii half-dim
     
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    The two fingered open E7.

    download (1).png

    All those open chords just melt into each other. So friggin' simple. So wonderfully sublime. :)

    But...if a straight b dim triad floats anyone's boat...do it. Or a Bm7b5.

    And...a G triad too. G7 = GBDF. In A minor. ..it's part VII and part ii°. A G triad and a B dim triad. That stacked chord thing we talked about in PMW #3.
     
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    i love a good Andalusian progression. Here's some melodic surf punk jazz for ya:

    Oh, and... Esteban. Nice one. i LOL'd.
     
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    That's beautiful Erica. Just beautiful.
     
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    This has that surf gypsy feel I imagined when doing the bass line. Both you and Erica picked up on that. You guys know me too well. Lol
     
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    with a full diminished ii chord - complete with gratuitously obvious arpeggios - this go-round.
     
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    I can see Alexander Mundy in Budapest planning a rescue at a KGB safe house in 1968.

    Awesome.
     
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    I was gonna use Tyrone Power as Zorro...but Esteban was too funny. Lol
     
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    I had a lot of fun with this. I hope my melody is not too obvious/simple. For some reason the main melody wanted to go over the A section and one repeat of the B section. I hope Jass doesn't mind. Many clams included, no charge. As it got later, more clams :(

     
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    Not too simple at all. Really fitting in nicely. A little Neil Youngish in spots but not berserk. Controlled and memorable. Well done man!

    You have good bones here. Over the A section I'd repeat the phrase you start with. Its solid as a rock. Then only reference it over the B section. But every time that A section comes around play that phrase. It's your hook.
     
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    Thank you for the advice - I'll have to try that when I get back.
    One thing's for sure, when I hear @davidKOS and @dogletnoir play their things, I become aware that that there's an entirely different game going on. Like watching the high divers from the kiddie pool.
     
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