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Practical Music Workshop #5: The Continuing Road to Ubiquitous Chord Progressions...Andalusia!

Discussion in 'Tab & Music Forum' started by fezz parka, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. duzie

    duzie Senior Stratmaster

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    There are so many fantastic elements you played along with this track David!
    Right at the end of this were you playing a few octaves ?
    Much food for thought listening to this .
     
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  2. Boognish

    Boognish Senior Stratmaster

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    I've been following all of these workshops and playing along and my confidence is building but still dont have the cajones to post anything yet mainly because I'm unsure of the song structure. I know that's probably an elementary thing I should know by now but I'm listening to others and picking it up. The other issue is recording it and uploading. Never done that before so if someone has some easy suggestions to record and upload, that would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. fezz parka

    fezz parka Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The easiest way is with an iRig and Audacity. What computer do you have...what OS...have you ever done any recording before?

    Also...you can just download and play along to the tracks...ask questions and someone will answer them. It's all about playing and getting that music out!
     
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  4. Boognish

    Boognish Senior Stratmaster

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    I realized after I posted I have a Line6 HX Stomp that I think I can record to the looper and upload it to my computer. I'll try that!
     
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  5. simoncroft

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    Any way you can do it, great. :) It's the musical ideas and execution that matter.

    Oh, that and uploading your take to somewhere like SoundCloud. Once you've done that, cut and paste the URL. When you post here, use the little cine film Media button and paste your URL in there.

    If you get stuck, just ask. :thumb:

    (Oh God, this room is starting to stink like a 3-day old Chinese take-away since I spilled that water out of the cooler... )
     
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  6. davidKOS

    davidKOS playing, teaching, recording Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That would really change the sound of the piece.

    Even the difference between the B half-dim and the full Bdim7 is a mood changer to my ears.

    If you make all the chords 7th chords (dominant 7) then that would really alter the mood, although that may be your intention.

    My college composition teacher would say that if the reason for using all 7ths is a particular "tonal stream" idea where the chord itself becomes a parallel line, as if it were one voice, OK.

    If it's because you can't play the changes, then he'd say "no". "Go practice".

    Well, I just want to present that side of it. Take care.
     
  7. davidKOS

    davidKOS playing, teaching, recording Strat-Talk Supporter

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    If that's not a chord you are used to, then it does sound weird as it has 2 tritone dissonances in the same chord.

    There are blues and rock songs with dim7 chords. The Beatles, particularly George Harrison used them well, for example:

    Here There and Everywhere
    Michelle
    If I Fell
    My Sweet Lord
    I Want You (She's So Heavy)
    Blue Jay Way
    And I Love Her

    If you play any jazz standards, you'll come across plenty of dim7 chords.

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/songs-where-aug-or-dim-7th-chords-are-prominent.668644/
     
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  8. davidKOS

    davidKOS playing, teaching, recording Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Yes I was if I recall, although I used a few on both takes so it's easy to say yes. :)

    Mostly I tried to play using the chord tones and related scales and keep to a theme as per the rules.
     
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  9. davidKOS

    davidKOS playing, teaching, recording Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Please keep listening, that's how you relate song form to what you hear from the bass or other chordal instruments.

    Look at the original post and the chords and listen to the tracks - the backing track and all the entries - and you'll hear where the chords change and how many measures each section is, and repeats as such.

    Just be patient, but keep listening.
     
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  10. fezz parka

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    A personal observation. I've never written on the bass before. Guitar, piano, yes. Or just in my head.

    But playing a bass line with the chords in mind is new, and quite frankly liberating. Kind of exciting. LOL
     
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    davidKOS playing, teaching, recording Strat-Talk Supporter

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    You know chords and arpeggios - that's why you could make the bass line outline the changes so well.
     
  12. davidKOS

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    I hate to keep emphasizing "chords", "scales" and "arpeggios" so much - it's not as much fun as talking about tubes, pickups, picks, strings, nitro or poly, etc. - but these are the building blocks of music, and any guitar player, no matter what style, can benefit by understanding those building blocks and knowing how to use them as needed.
     
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  13. fezz parka

    fezz parka Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I know enough to get me in trouble. But two of the PMW tracks have produced things I'm really proud of. The Booker T track in #3 especially. The other is this one. They sound like tunes. Makes me happy. :D
     
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    Please keep talking about them David. There is much to learn - I compartmentalize stuff and take bite sizes when able. Arpeggios are next on the menu.
     
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    Do you know how to build a major and minor chord progression using the parent scale/modal approach?

    Have you studied the "Music is a numbers game" post in the tab section here on ST?

    Once you've done those things...then watch this:



    :)
     
  16. davidKOS

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    Indeed they all are!

    I like this side of your playing too - the phrasing is very tasty!
     
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    Well I liked the melodic idea....cooking by 1:10 or so...cool ideas at 1:40ish....nice work!
     
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  18. davidKOS

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    In this case, I liked your melodic version very much - please don't compare to my examples that were sort of made to demonstrate the use of chord tones, scales and arpeggios.

    I bet a lot of listeners would like the soulful version you did better than my "notey" ones!
     
  19. davidKOS

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    Yeah, play with the form!

    Again the phrasing and ideas are interesting and that build-up in the middle works...then the hot solo guitar comes back in, good!

    Fine example.
     
  20. davidKOS

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    Well the writer of the track shows us how its done!

    Both of my themes were ascending - fezz uses some neat descending thematic ideas that caught my ear.
     
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