Replacement tuners

Discussion in 'Pre-CBS Strats (before 1966)' started by Daveycoyote, Apr 14, 2021.

  1. Daveycoyote

    Daveycoyote Strat-Talker

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    Hey guys just wanting some quick advice
    I'm looking for replacement locking tuners for my pre cbs strat..strat stays in tune quite well but want more stability...obviously I don't want to modify the guitar in anyway just a pop in locking tuner..

    What have some of you used ?
     
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    Kaish. Inexpensive and very stable
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    Triple Jim Guy Who Likes to Play Guitar Silver Member

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    Careful... I don't know of any reason to believe that your tuning will be more stable with locking tuners than with the vintage type.
     
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    Stevn Senior Stratmaster

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    Mine turned out better. I couldn’t get a good seat on the vintage tuners. Then after changing them I discovered I was doing it WRONG!
    Oh well, live and mod and learn.
     
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    Eric_G Strat-Talk Member

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    I used a set of GraphTech Ratio Locking tuners on my last build. They are not cheap, but I was really impressed.
     
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    Well I was thinking with the old style tuners the string can keep stretching because it's wrapped around post....with locking tuners there would be no wraps to stretch only the string its self could stretch...there as to be something to it if a floyd rose has everything locked obviously better for stability
     
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    Pre-CBS?.. Fullerton Strat or reissue? For such an old and valuable guitar, why buy low quality tuners?
    A grand old lady deserves the best of the best.
    Vintage correct: Gotoh SDS510 (Top of the line) or the little brother SD91 (Exists in relic finish from factory as well).
    Locking style: Gotoh SD91 MG-T (With wheel lock) (I have these, great tuners)
    Gotoh are made in Japan. They have been making tuners and hardware for many years and is well respected in the biz.
    Would not put on Kluson (Made in Korea these days) They are ok, but for max tuning stability, i would go Gotoh over Kluson.
    If not vintage correct. Hipshot or Sperzel is my pick.
     
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    Brother, if you want them just get them. If you don’t like them, go back. That’s the beauty of hardware! :)
     
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    Bazz Jass Chairman of the Fingerboard Silver Member

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    I have to say the original tuners on my 63 are as stable as any tuners on any of my guitars. I don't use the trem though...
     
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    This is what I needed to hear
     
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    Should be fine. Stew Mac have really accurate measurement charts shown on all their tuner listings, so you can normally be pretty sure in advance :)

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    jbylake Regular Dude Silver Member

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    When you "lock" your tuners, don't pull the strings tight then lock them. Leave just enough slack to get a wrap or two, that should solve your problem. Then nip the excess off. Been doing it that way for years.
     
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    Seriously? You would put a set of cheap Chinese tuners on a pre CBS Strat?
     
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    If only for the plastic buttons... ;)
     
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    Ebidis Providing the world with flat bends since 1985

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    If "strat stays in tune quite well"

    Why do you want to replace the original tuners on a pre CBS Strat?
     
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    The only way you know the tuners are the problem, is by replacing the tuners.

    I've done this a lot (not with preCBS strats, but with other guitars, acoustic and electric). A lot of times ended up selling the replacement tuners and going back to the originals, or trying something different.

    As long as the tuners are direct drop-in, which these look to be - it's a cool thing to try.
     
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    +1 for Goto aged replacements. I've put them on many vintage Fenders and Gibsons for improved stability (where needed) and/or to preserve the originals. Never needed to get the locking types but I only use trems occasionally and lightly.