Restring style?...

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  1. StratLuv

    StratLuv Strat-Talker

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    Hi guys - Im looking into new ways of stringing up and came across some pics of Eric Johnsons own strat. Ive always put the string in the post first, the logical way on Kluson pegs, and then finished up by winding two pegs length worth of string to the bottom of each peg. Can anyone work out exactly what EJ is doing here with his "Over-Under" technique of stringing up?
     

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  2. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Fuzz Meister General

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    Nope, I do split shaft the Fender method. Trim string at two tuners past the one you are using. Bend string 90 degrees, insert in hole, wind going down the post. Make sure I have 2-3 wraps except G where I use 4-6 for more pressure, stretch, retune and away I go.
     
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  3. stevierayfan91

    stevierayfan91 DEEPLY SHY.

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    might be for similar stability effect as locking tuners, without EJ having to drill his vintage 50's Strat?
     
  4. Vindibona1

    Vindibona1 Most Honored Senior Member

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    It's a locking technique. Why he does this with vintage tuners escapes me. The vintage tuners provide are self locking by design. I guess it's like wearing a belt and suspenders together to keep your pants from falling down. FWIW, I use Frudua's locking technique on all but my locking tuners. Necessary? I dunno. I do it mostly because that's the way I've always done it and it just works. We all have our quirks.

    Skip to around 4:20 in the video.

     
  5. Paperback Rocker

    Paperback Rocker Do it or screw it.

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    Looks very inconsistent from string to string for Eric Johnson. That tech better start working on his resume.
     
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  6. Stratoskater

    Stratoskater Fuzz Meister General

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    Oh and it appears EJ is not putting the string down the tuner shaft and is instead running it through the "trench" and using over under to cinch it down to the tuner post. Never seen that in 25 years of playing.
     
  7. StratLuv

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    Do you think that the string is being fed through the shaft after the winds? or first, and then over and under after? hard to tell
     
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    Worst technique I've ever seen tbh!
     
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  9. heltershelton

    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris

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    i just changed strings using this method....works well.
     
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    I do it the way I've been doing it, like, forever. Trim it, stick it in the hole, get a minimum of 3 wraps down. No slips, no tuning problems, no nuthin'. And I'm a heavy wiggle stick user. If it ain't broke....:D
     
  11. simoncroft

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    Oddly enough, I was going to post this question when I changed a set of strings a couple of days ago. I've always put 2-3 winds round the post, but is there any science to this? For instance, I have a couple of guitars that came with locking tuners (wouldn't fit them myself). What is the difference between pulling the string tight, locking and bringing to pitch – with almost no wind on the post – compared to the way most of us have done it?

    Come on the physicists among us! Is the pull on the tuner post distributed more evenly with a few winds? Is there a reason that would account for the string holding a more stable pitch if there are 2-3 winds?

    On unwound strings, I always put them through the hole in the post twice, which is why I don't have any great need for locking tuners. Believe me, those strings are locked. Some people don't bother. Again, I'm not sure whether there is any science to my stringing customs. I'm genuinely curious.
     
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    I do it because it helps with the break angle over the nut.
     
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    ^^^THIIS^^^

    And from the last pic, it looks like the unwound string is wrapped around the post many more times than necessary. Break angle or not, I don't think that many is needed for tuning stability or otherwise.

    On acoustics, I have seen, and used the technique in the past where an over hand knot was made (like the first part of the shoelace knot) with the loose end going under the string on the guitar. Then when the tuner is tightened, the loose end gets locked under the string.

    After using this technique for a while, and not noticing any benefit to tuning stability I decided it wasn't worth the extra trouble. I do use it when stringing my classical, seems to be the correct way for that guitar.
     
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    That is my understanding. On any other type of string, I think it's just a way to get another Merit Badge on your sleeve. :sneaky:
     
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    I think Bonamassa's guitar tech, Mike Hickey, uses the same over/under technique. He says it's stable for tuning and fast to restring.
     
  16. Highwaystrat

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    There's another way to lock split shaft tuners, you cut the string and insert in shaft hole as usual, but the first wrap goes around only one of the shaft sides, then the next wraps go around the whole shaft.

    Ya I think these guys string their guitars these ways for faster string changes for performance situations, like stretching the strings a lot. If the strings are going to be on there for a while then you don't have to stretch the strings that much. They stretch them a lot so they stay in tune immediately, but soon the string will loose elastic property. I don't stretch the strings that much anymore. Unless I would have a gig.
     
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    Here's a sloppy pic i just drew of the other locking method: Untitled.png
     
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    Simon, in the Boy Scouts of America we wear our merit badges on a sash. When I was in (Eagle Scout), I had close to 40 and there was no way I could have had that many on my sleeves.
     
  19. Tone Guru

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    I use a double back on the plain strings.
    Down into the hole to start like normal, then wind backwards 1/2 turn and back through the slot and around the correct way.

    The way that is shown for Johnson defeats the purpose of the "safety post" with the cut end sticking out.
     
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    I cut 'em at approximately 3" past the shaft, give 'em the 90-degree Fezz bend, put the bent end into the slotted shaft hole, keep finger pressure on it and wrap 'em up about 3-4 times up the shaft. Neat, sorted.

    :D
     
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