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Discussion in 'Other Guitar Discussion' started by Jason D, May 11, 2020.
Mine (1991 Special) does not suffer from neck dive. Case-by case.
Pert much, the set I have is like a vintage set and is very articulate and still bright. I can get an almost tele bridge pickup vibe or it gets dirty and snarly with some gain. I had an SG with a set of hotter p90s and it was flat out growly.
From my name that riff entry last night.
Good to know - thanks folks. I owned a Firebird in the early 80s, but it was one of those chinless reverse or non-reverse or whatever they called them. And I have no memory of any ocmfort issues with it, but I was a skinny 20-22 year old and NOTHING bothered me back then. But if a Firebird is worse than an SG for neck dive, I should probably give an SG a chance. Because having the leg cut that far back on the Firebird was REALLY nice seated and I didn't have any balance issues with it seated when I messed with one last year...
Try several SG's until you find a good one.
Mine either. But I've owned a few that did. Definitely not universal
I got mine in 2014. No neck dive
Yea, like they said. SGs used to be my favorite guitars before I got my first 22 fret Strat. But as many others have said before me on this thread, they can be very variable. Try before you buy. I’ve got one that should be awesome, but I never really liked. And then I’ve got a beat up ‘68 Melody Maker that blows it away. But here’s a couple of my favorites, a 1986 ‘61 reissue and a 1987 SG Elite. They both have the slim necks with minimal heels. But they don’t have a satin finish so I guess you wouldn’t like them. But I sure did.
Crazy good information on this thread. Seriously, thanks everyone.
I noticed where people were talking about what guitarist played SGs who inspired them to get one. For me, it was seeing ZZ Top in St. Louis a couple years ago. Billy was playing mainly a pair of SGs, and he just sounded fantastic. Of course, BFG can make any guitar look like the coolest instrument in the world, but that was the moment when I said “I need to look at getting an SG”. That was when it clicked for me. I’ve always liked the look and sound, but I never felt a need to own one until seeing him playing em.
I agree that I will need to try a bunch and see what I like. I haven’t had any time because of work, but I’m looking forward to getting this journey started. And ya know, maybe I won’t ever find one I like...never know. But I gotta see.
No neck dive on mine! Good strap suade helps they don't slide. Stay away from heavy locking tuners aka grover learn to lock your strings. It's a non issue.
I love my 90's Gibson SG Special. It has a chunky neck but I just love the ebony fret board. I haven't had any real neck dive issues, just slightly since I have Grover tuning machines on the headstock. This guitar sure does play great and feels very comfortable especially playing on the upper frets.
Decided to go with chrome covers.
They pop with the chrome bridge and reflector knobs.
I've grown to really like covers on humbuckers... I have zebras on my '14 Epiphone SG and it's just one more reason I've never bonded with it.
So chrome covers on P90 soapbars. Ya... everyone and their brother has chrome dogears in Casinos, but you never see chrome soapbars....
Here's how I became an SG player...
I was 27 and had just gotten my first decent paying job ($7.50 per hour!). It was 1991, Les Pauls were hot and I wanted in.
I went to the local hole-in-the-wall guitar store, which was a Gibson dealer. They had one Les Paul, but it was over $600 and way out of my price range.
The owner mentioned the SG, which was around $250. I had never played one, but it had 2 humbuckers and was a Gibson, so I assumed it would play and sound like a Les Paul.
They didn't have any in stock, so I ordered one and put down a $100 deposit. It took about 6 months for it to arrive. Thinking back, I don't know why it took so long, but I was just a kid and didn't ask questions.
When I finally got it, I realized it was a totally different beast. I had been playing a Fender Bullet Squier. I was initially disappointed that it was nothing like a Les Paul, but I had spent my money and this was my only guitar.
Almost 30 years later, I still have it. While I now have other guitars, I still play this one a lot and am always amazed at the different tone and styles it can cover.
Neck angle is so important on an SG and Gibson still regulalrly gets it wrong. Definitely go to a store and play one if you can - although that is becoming more and more a 'dad's generation' thing sadly. You'll know its right if the bridge has plenty of up/down adjustment available and the tailpiece isn't flying in the air like General Zod.
Tell-tale signs of a Friday (aka everyday at Gibson) Whoopsie:nuts (usually not cut properly), finish blemishes/marks, truss rod nuts that you can't get at due to overspray, wonky tuners, wonky pickguards/scratchplates, wonky pickups (not aliging with the strings), tailpiece studs sprouting/leaning forwards in the sockets, binding dinks/gouges where it was scraped by a rookie, glue seeping out of neck joint and fingerboard edges UNDER the clearcoat, tooling around the frets (can be very ugly) and a totally dried out rosewood board that will swell and crack when you try to fix it.
Increasingly with Gibson I get a lot of grounding issues. They quite frequently don't bother to fit the ground wires properly anymore.. and their PCB is literally a radio receiver.
If you are thinking of one of those 2 grand '61 Reissues with the vibrola, and let's be honest, we all have/are doing/trying to convince our sensible selves we should and that its absolutely OK (OK!?!) to look at other women .. you might want to check this video out first:
Skip to 8:08 and see how you feel about it then.
BTW the tuning issues is the nut, its always the nut on Gibsons. No biggie. $100 for some nut files or reach out to Gibson customer services and they'll have you take it to a local luthier to get fixed under warranty (all mine have been! lol).
They really ARE a lot of fun. I should play mine more but after 30 years on a strat I feel like I'm gonna snap the thing in half just by picking it up.
I’ll second that! After a Strat, an SG feels like a toy guitar. Who needs a vibrola bridge when you can just wang the neck around like a green stick. As my arthritis progresses though, there will be a day when an SG becomes all I can handle, and I’ll be grateful I have them.
Depending on how it sits on your lap, it can still dive forward. It's sort of the same when you have a offset guitar to be honest. I just adjusted it so it doesn't do that
If neck dive from a sub-8lb. guitar is an overpowering issue,
wear it like sister Rosetta Tharpe.)
I'd spend $2k for a '61... but I wouldn't touch a Vibrola with a 6-foot pole.
Ya, when I first got my husk, I thought I was in the clear, because I could lift the body by the strap button and it was balanced.
Nope... put a strap on it, and it doesn't hang by the front button... it dives. Not as badly as my Epiphone.