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Seymour Duncan Classic Stack Plus

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  1. SILENCER

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    The Fender noiseless were a nice try, but a tad brittle next to Boss Duncan's offering. They just work for me.

    I have not tried the latest revision of the Classic Stack, as mine are from 2001 or so. What has changed? I'll likely be dropping a set in a recently acquired 2005 American Deluxe V neck. It has Duncan Antiquity Surfs in there now. Great pups, just not exactly what I need. I'll put them up for sale here later if anyone is interested.
     
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    You know, I’m not sure what’s changed since then with the classic stack plus. I’ve got stack 4 All I know is they have a very nice chimey too end and then interact with the tone control EXTREMELY well. They’re a bit more scooped in the mids vs the fender vintage so they pair really nicely with the mid boost on my guitar. You can roll the tone off (250k .022) all the way and it’s just awesome grit / dirt but not muddy. Give em a go- you won’t be disappointed
     
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    The folks at SD describe them as a late 50’s tone and as that they are the noises version of the SSL 1 PUPs if that helps
     
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    The older version had more symmetrical coils. The Plus design has a smaller hum-cancelling coil. They have a rounder high end and more power than most 50s pickups.
     
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    Does the smaller hum cancelling coil lead to improved tone?
     
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    I think the newer ones sound better, if that's what you mean.
     
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    Yes, just wondering what effect a smaller dummy coil had.

    They sound GREAT!!
     
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    I have the newer ones and theyre a knock out. Love em.
     
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    It essentially only cancels hum. It doesn't impart much, if any, on the sound. It is one of the reasons this is my absolute favorite Strat pickup.
     
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    Interesting. Is it connected in series or parallel with the active coil?
     
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    Is there room to lower the stacks enough in a vintage-style body (with the shallower cavities)?
     
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    You can see the dimensions of the Classic Stack Plus here. It is .85" deep.

    It is series, but it doesn't work the way a typical humbucker does. This is from our former product developer of the Classic Stacks Plus:

    The Stack Plus pickups use a top coil that is significantly larger than the bottom coil–it’s almost the same size as a traditional Strat pickup coil. The top coil is shielded with a “flux transfer plate” which attracts hum and “injects” it into the much smaller bottom coil, whose sole purpose is to eliminate the hum. The top coil gets the tone. The bottom coil kills the hum.

    In addition to this unique design, SD uses a device seldom seen outside a physics laboratory called a Helmholtz coil, to calibrate each individual Stack Plus pickup for maximum hum cancellation. The Helmholtz coil generates an extremely uniform magnetic field that allows test engineers to accurately simulate, on the test bench, the noise conditions found in a typical performance environment. This type of testing and calibration, in addition to the unique magnetic structure of the Hot Stack Plus system, allows it to achieve extraordinarily low levels of 60-cycle (or 50-cycle) hum.

    If you've ever taken an SD factory tour with me, you've probably seen the Helmholtz coil.
     
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    Very interesting, thanks!
     
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    How does the magnetic structure with the flux plate compare to a regular vintage-stagger Alnico 5 pickup? Specifically, how does the string pull compare?
     
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    Like you'd think, it is more even across strings. I avoid vintage stagger if i can unless I have a guitar with a vintage radius AND I am using a wound 3rd string.
     
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    Thanks. I’m asking because they will have to sit a little higher in a vintage body.
     
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    Been using these for more than 10 years now. Great pickups. I have the STK Custom in the bridge position - and I find it a little lacking compared to real single coils, but the Classic Stack Plus are incredible. Never felt the need to split them.
     
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    Allright, that's it. I'll buy the Classic Stack version 4 for my next strat project. I might pull the Antiquity Surfs, even though I'm actually kind of liking them now, except for that brain-eating hum.

    I have an unused set of Lawrence L280-290s I bought back in 2006 I'm putting on a parts build. Made by the man himself. Excited to hear those.
     
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    I played at an open Jam this past weekend with drums bass and another guitar player. The PUPs did great. It was loud and I needed to push my pedals and amp - would’ve had a ton of hum with normal single coils. The bridge pickup is stronger in output and a bit sharp in trebles but with that kind of volume gotta tell you I switched right to it for leads and it cut through very nicely.

    I added a push pull master tone pot for bridge always on and they sound great with B + N and B + M + N. Some pups don’t mix well with those combos but this set sound really nice with those combos. Especially all 3 - a very nice even bodied tone

    Can’t say enough positives about the classic stack 4 plus set. Really happy with them. They give a late 50’s to early 60’s tone - they’re not scooped - the mids are present but balanced nicely (no mid hump)
     
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    Sounds boss. I'm a neck pickup lurker on a Strat, so I'm sure I'll be thrilled with them.
     
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