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Discussion in 'Home Recording Studio' started by Cerb, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    You know how sometimes you sit around and noodle, you dial in the amp and it sounds fantastic. You think to yourself that "wow, I've got to put this over a track" so you open the DAW, load a backing track and start playing. Your recently wonderful tone now sounds like absolute rubbish in the mix!

    Nothing strange really, it's only natural that your ears percieve something one way when you hear it isolated as compared to when it mixes with a bunch of other frequencies, right? Lately I've been digging a certain mid scooped (at least what I perceive as mid scooped) tone a lot and I thought to myself that this sounds like that tone on the live recording of Voodoo Chile. In a mix though it sounds thin, weak, lacking punch. I then think that maybe (most likely) I don't know what the hell I'm doing so I figured I'd ask. Before I do I should point out that I'm not going for the tone on the recording, I'm merely curious as to why I think that mine, that sounds similar disappears in the mix.

    The tone that Hendrix has on Voodoo Chile from Electric Ladyland, that is mid scooped and with fairly low gain, right? Or am I not understanding this at all?
     
  2. thomquietwolf

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  3. Heavyriff

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    Yo. If you have read any of my posts I have a plethora of cheap equipment. My Davison single humbucker guitar has sustain for days. And when I play it through my Marshall MG15 practice amp which has no effects. It has this nasty gritty metal sound and a kind of resonance echo delay thing happening. It sounds totally bad ass. I dont record stuff but it sounds good to me.
     
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    There’s all kinds of stuff going on there man, trying to nail Hendrix recorded tone is a very tricky thing , lots of overdubbing lots of mixing. Best of luck to you lol
     
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  5. Ebidis

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    I hate when that happens. Just a fact of life.
     
  6. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Sounding good is one thing, cutting through the mix another. Or so I've discovered.

    Not going after Hendrix's tone at all. I was just trying to figure out why one works in a mix and the other doesn't when they sound similar.

    There must be an answer!
     
  7. Heavyriff

    Heavyriff Strat-Talker

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    Yes very true. Rolling up the volume and tapping your way through only goes so far. I do not have the answer as I am limited in talent.
     
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  8. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Yeah, I can always drown the drums and bass in volume :)

    I'm a bit perplexed, also excited about maybe discovering something that I don't know.
     
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    Of course there is an answer. It the tone you are using has a bunch of frequencies in common with the other instruments in the ensemble, they will conflict.
     
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  10. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Yes, it's not that I can't make it cut through, the problem is cutting through without drastically changing the tone. That's why I compared it to a similar tone that does come through. Perhaps it's the track that's the problem?
     
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    Are you playing with something you tracked or a backing track?
     
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    The guitar has to occupy it's own space sonically.
    Usually this means cutting a lot of the bass out of the guitar track.
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    Using less distortion goes a long way toward clarity in the mix.
    It seems to me, that the more distortion i dial in, the smaller the sound gets.
     
  13. Ebidis

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    Hire an experienced professional record producer.:D
     
  14. Ebidis

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    I think a bit of compression helps too.
     
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    Or just turn it up and hope it sounds good. Turn it way up.
     
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    ^ that never hurts (except maybe your wallet)
     
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    How are you going into the recording device? mic or direct in? Some sort of USB interface?
     
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    Seamus OReally Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

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    33db is asking the right question: how is the delicious tone being recorded?
     
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    Make it sound like this:

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    Get it?

    Blending but not obscuring. ;)



    You have to record the track with how it fits with the backing/ supporting tracks...not how it sounds in the room.

    Then you have to try to make them all sound like they were recorded in the same space.

    Like this. I had to tweak both the backing and the guitar part to make it work. But...I record direct into the interface and add the models and other stuff after the fact.

     
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  20. fezz parka

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    Yep. Mud. And not the 315 Hz kind.
     
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